My pet peeve about ammunition advertising.

My pet peeve about ammunition advertising.

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    My pet peeve about ammunition advertising.

    This has been drifting through my alleged mind for some time. Bad Bob's thread about 'Efficiency' pushed me over the top.

    Back in the old days, ammunition came in boxes and the makers put the velocity on the box. Nowadays, ammo still comes in boxes, but without the stats. However, the websites for the makers usually will have some 'claim' of velocity if one cares to look.

    Does that mean anything?

    I have a number of (old) .32 Automatic pistols. Nearly all the manufacturers claim a velocity of 900 fps (or so) with a 71 grain FMC bullet. None of my pistols clock that fast. I have a couple (French MAB pistols) that do in the upper 800s and the rest are less. A couple in the 600s.

    From "Ballistics by the Inch" their information shows a minimum four inch barrel to reach 900 fps. Most .32 ACP pistols have barrels of around three to three and a half inches.

    Rifles have the same problem. A .308 Winchester round does not clock as much velocity from an eighteen inch barrel as a twenty-six. But I cannot find any manufacturer specific information or expectation about velocity versus barrel length.

    Okay, perhaps this doesn't really mean anything. Most folks will find a load or a commercial loading they like, sight the rifle in and go forth.

    But I like specifics.
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    Relax, its okay

    "Back in the old days, ammunition came in boxes and the makers put the velocity on the box. Nowadays, ammo still comes in boxes, but without the stats"

    Just like in the old days:






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    A few weeks ago I was looking at ammo manufacturers web-sites regarding .32 ACP cartridges for my Kel-Tec P-32.
    Of eight ammo manufacturers only five had test barrel info listed along with the ballistics.
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    OMG ! Back in the old days , they blew a hole thru you with a lead round ball, you were still just as dead . They just had more smoke .
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    OP if you are looking for ammo that will work well in your European gun you will probably need to buy ammo loaded to European spec.
    There spec ammo is about 100 fps faster than American spec ammo. I have a few European guns and none of them shoot well with American ammo. If you compare the Fiocchi or S&B ammo to Winchester or Remington you will see what I mean. Good Luck DR
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    My pet peeve about ammunition advertising.

    Your conundrum, Archie, is with labeling, not advertising.

    But I like specifics.
    Which is why I'm shopping for a bullet chronograph.

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    Back in the old days, ammunition came in boxes and the makers put the velocity on the box

    I cannot find any manufacturer specific information or expectation about velocity versus barrel length.

    Nothing has changed in 100 years, I see no reason to expect any change to begin listing each bullet weight from each barrel length of their product.

    I'm not as concerned about advertised vs actual velocities as I am understanding that bullets drop at various ranges [ as in the case of my 308/762x51 m1a ].
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archie View Post
    Back in the old days, ammunition came in boxes and the makers put the velocity on the box. Nowadays, ammo still comes in boxes, but without the stats. However, the websites for the makers usually will have some 'claim' of velocity if one cares to look.

    Does that mean anything?


    I have a number of (old) .32 Automatic pistols.
    My first reply didn't specifically address 32 auto.
    He ya go:

    For the 32 auto they use code MC for Mouse gun Caliber
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    For your .32 ACP, try Underwood Cavitators. They're suppose to be penetrator with great expansion.

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    If you want to compare velocities you can email the manufacturer and ask what their test barrel was. I don't know if all will answer but I have emailed Underwood ammo twice to ask what length barrel they used to get velocity for a certain bullet and both times they responded within 48 hours with the answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzQkr View Post
    Back in the old days, ammunition came in boxes and the makers put the velocity on the box

    I cannot find any manufacturer specific information or expectation about velocity versus barrel length.

    Nothing has changed in 100 years, I see no reason to expect any change to begin listing each bullet weight from each barrel length of their product.

    I'm not as concerned about advertised vs actual velocities as I am understanding that bullets drop at various ranges [ as in the case of my 308/762x51 m1a ].
    I once had the opportunity to hear a 12 ga slug sizzling toward me. I used an old fat oak for cover and heard the slug plonk into the dead leaves as it hit the ground about 15 feet past me. Boy would I have been pissed if that thing had hit me in the eye! Ouch!
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    It's a lot cheaper (and quicker) to change info on a website, than paper labels on boxes. In an era when everyone has a mini computer in their pocket, you can just look it up on the manufacturers website.

    I will agree that test barrel lengths need to be stated, and are often not. Best would be test barrel data, and also data from shorter barrels more akin to conceal carry sidearms.
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    Sam’s Bullet Box

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    Before setting out to run a few demonstrations in Sam’s Bullet Box — in fact before I even bought my first 9mm — I consulted my handgun coach. He told an interesting, if unpleasant story, of a police officer and a 9mm. The bad guy was holed-up in a trailer. The lawmen broke the door open from the bottom. The officer stuck his head in. A man with a shotgun took aim. CLICK! Before Mr. Criminal could rack a round into battery, the officer fired one round from his 9mm. Not to be grim — but the bullet entered under left arm, traveled through chest, destroyed the “pump,” and exited under the right arm. “That would not have been the case in times past,” my mentor told me. “Today’s 9mm high-power ammunition is far deadlier than ever. So don’t worry about switching.” Fine, but as the Russians say, Trust but verify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archie View Post
    This has been drifting through my alleged mind for some time. Bad Bob's thread about 'Efficiency' pushed me over the top.

    Back in the old days, ammunition came in boxes and the makers put the velocity on the box. Nowadays, ammo still comes in boxes, but without the stats. However, the websites for the makers usually will have some 'claim' of velocity if one cares to look.

    Does that mean anything?

    I have a number of (old) .32 Automatic pistols. Nearly all the manufacturers claim a velocity of 900 fps (or so) with a 71 grain FMC bullet. None of my pistols clock that fast. I have a couple (French MAB pistols) that do in the upper 800s and the rest are less. A couple in the 600s.

    From "Ballistics by the Inch" their information shows a minimum four inch barrel to reach 900 fps. Most .32 ACP pistols have barrels of around three to three and a half inches.

    Rifles have the same problem. A .308 Winchester round does not clock as much velocity from an eighteen inch barrel as a twenty-six. But I cannot find any manufacturer specific information or expectation about velocity versus barrel length.

    Okay, perhaps this doesn't really mean anything. Most folks will find a load or a commercial loading they like, sight the rifle in and go forth.

    But I like specifics.
    Even different gun/barrels will give different velocities. I have seen snubbies lose less velocity than some 4" barrels. It can be frustrating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDW4ME View Post
    "Back in the old days, ammunition came in boxes and the makers put the velocity on the box. Nowadays, ammo still comes in boxes, but without the stats"

    Just like in the old days:


    May as well use a 40.......
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