This is a discussion on .40 S&w within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by rocky I also have seen good (backyard) test results form 180 grn. HP rounds. Honestly I think bullet placement matters much more ...
The dude who came up with S&W=short & weak was obviously a disgruntled 9mm owner. Too bad for him...teehee.
For Carry I prefer 165 gr and 155 gr Gold Dots or Winchester Rangers. If the man behind the gun does his job any 40 caliber JHP of any weight from the major makers will get the job done.
corbon 135 or 150 gr for a 40. it is a powerful load that is very manageable but has oustanding stopping power. triton also has a bonded load. which penetarted 16 inches into a winshields and a gel passing in 14 inches and has expanded .69 inches. also hydra180,rangers 165,gold dot,corbon DPX and a favorite of mine ishornady tap ammo.
all great stuff!!!
Speer Gold Dot 155 Gr., after my own testing. Also, with this load, you will attain more muzzle energy out of the G27 than any other factory load. (unless Double Tap is considered a factory load). Out of a G27, its around 455 ft-lbs, and 1150 fps. This is even more ft-lbs than the Corbon 135 grain out of this same gun(440 ft-lbs, and 1210 fps). Out of the G22, it is around 530 ft-lbs and 1240 fps.
I didnt choose the Gold Dot 155 grainer because of this though. It was its performance in clothed wetpack versus other rounds that impressed me the most. No pics, sorry.
S&W=short & weak
I seriously get tired of seeing this every time a .40 is even mentioned....surely I cant be alone in that.
I wonder how the .45 crowd would take it if a cute acronym for ACP was posted everytime a .45 was mentioned.....and it goes on and on.
I seriously doubt that anyone hit with any major caliber bullet has considered it either short or weak.
Last edited by hsuCowboy98; September 27th, 2006 at 08:42 AM.
Fear No Evil.
The 40 S&W round has started to grow on me in the past year or so and I think it is a great round. Its a good up in power of the 9mm and with similar capacity in most handguns. I would probably take 357 Sig and 45ACP over 40, but that just me.
ACP - a curious peashooter, ammo constrained pistol
Well, I like the 40, but I didn't see answers to my questions on ballistics of the rounds AND recoil of the rounds when comparing lighter grain v. heavier grain weights of the same brand for the 40. I am still very curious as to how the recoil/effectiveness relate. My question was posed a few posts ago on this same thread.
If anyone has good information or links to the information I request, that would be great. However interesting, another, you can't go wrong w/ brand x grain y bullet is not answering the question I pose. Bueller, Bueller, anybody Bueller?
135 grain - I've shot both Corbon and Federal's Personal Defense Ammo. The Corbons are loaded very hot, lots of recoil, louder than normal, and leave flakes of black stuff everywhere after being fired. The Federals are just normal recoil, but insanely loud. Both are ok accuracy.
155, 165 & 180's - I can't really tell any difference in recoil no matter who loads the round. My 40 BHP is really accurate with the 165 and 180 Gold Dots and the 155 Hydra Shocks, just ok with most other rounds.
Honestly, I can hardly tell the differance between 155, 165, and 180's.
It isnt as dramatic a change as going from 230 to 185 in 45's.
Heres a chart that may help you out some:
Fear No Evil.
hsuCowboy98 - thanks for the link. looks like good reading / info.
My first post here. Cool site.
Having owned and carried a G22 for years, I've settled on Speer Gold Dot 165 gr factory loads. They step along--chrono about 1150 or 1200 from my gun, if I recall correctly, giving energies close to .357 mag revolver. Recoil is not bothersome, function reliable, accuracy good.
HSU- ill second post #51. ACP- A Crappy Pistol
Last edited by floridaguy911; October 6th, 2006 at 10:09 AM.
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165 or 180 grain Federal Tactical Hydra-Shoks or Speer Gold Dots are the cat's meow... Here in MD the State police are issued 180 Grain Winchester JHP's (Standard White Box) to be fired from their GLOCK 22's. I'm sure that any of the heavier bullets fired from a 4-5 inch .40 S&W will take the fight out of the "Bad Guy" if the shot is placed in center mass.