7.62 Ball Ammo on Coyote?

7.62 Ball Ammo on Coyote?

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    7.62 Ball Ammo on Coyote?

    Hi All,

    I'm having trouble finding any softpoint 7.62x54R locally.

    I just picked up 100 rounds of Brown Bear 185gr spitzer.

    I'm wondering how a .30-06 class round performs on coyote sized varmints with FMJ ammo. I'm stuck with it until I find (or, maybe just this time, order from the 'net) some softpoint.

    I wouldn't use it on deer, but shooting a water jug vaporized quite a bit of it, and showed energy transfer at least equal to at least a good 9mm expanding round.

    I'm thinking hydrostatic shock may come into play here. It's something I dismissed long ago, but I hadn't done anything extensive with rounds running around 3000fps yet either.

    Thoughts?

    Thanks,

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    showed energy transfer at least equal to at least a good 9mm expanding round.
    These are apples and oranges!! Any fast 30 cal, even ball ammo will have much more available energy - like comparing a 9mm at say 300 ft lbs with a 2,700fps 165 grainer yielding 2,600 ft lbs region. Certainly an expansive 9mm will appear pretty disruptive at closer ranges on a water jug.

    Ball will tend to be ''thru-and-thru'' often but still able to get the job done ... SP's would dump better but with considerable disruption in an critter that small (relatively). A thoracic hit with ball on a 'yote will I'd expect - still stop it pretty fast.
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    Josh I believe that Chris is right,

    Heavy ball from a 7.62x54R would be very effective on a coyote
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    Actually, the 7.62 x54r is closer to a .308 than an ought-six but in the real world it dont matter.

    The round is probably around 25-2650 FPS.

    You could launch a marble or a stick or a rock at 2500 FPS and kill anything it hits.

    Coyotes are thin skinned. I've killed a slew of them with a .22. That 7.62 FMJ will be no contest.
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    Any rifle round with that kind of velocity is going to be a thru shot anyway on a coyote, then shortly after it goes through the critter will die. I have yet to shoot a deer in the neck or side through the heart/lungs, even with soft point ammo in a 30.06 not have it go completely through the deer.

    When you have 100 to 200 grains of lead, even if not fully jacketed, traveling at 2000 to 3000 fps, it takes a lot to stop it.

    Take the shot and you will find out.
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    Thanks all.

    P95, I didn't mean to imply that the 9mm has anything on the main battle rifle cartridges. I only used the illustration of a full energy dump from a 9mm in a milk jug to show that it was only a fraction of the rifle's. In other words, I know expanding 9mm takes coyote down just fine, and I fully expected to get jumped for wanting to use FMJ of any sort on an animal. All I was illustrating was that I believe it will do the job just fine.

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    I fully expected to get jumped for wanting to use FMJ of any sort on an animal.
    Why? Shot placement is far more important than soft point vs FMJ, as far as humane take-down is concerned..
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    Quote Originally Posted by General Geoff View Post
    Why? Shot placement is far more important than soft point vs FMJ, as far as humane take-down is concerned..
    I agree placement and peneration are what counts, Expansion just helps placement if peneration is not a problem
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    For the same reasons most states mandate expanding ammo for deer. Quicker takedown and more damage.

    I may just forego softpoint for good if the spitzers do the job. We can sell fur here when it's in season and I don't want to ruin the price of the pelt.

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    You might just do that Josh with that large of a round. As already said, they are thin skinned. I started shooting them years ago with a .303, it did some damage to the pelt. I wouldnt worry to much about using ball with a .30, it will do a plenty good job provided you do yours.
    I then switched to .22mag when I could get them close enough. I then moved on to .223. That seems to be the happy medium for me.

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    I have a friend who shoots rabbits with a 25-06, and it is pretty much overkill (in his words "turns them into fur balloons). I believe he shoots hollowpoints or spitzers. You should be fine with what you are using.

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