This is a discussion on How Practical within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Obviously, any round will inflict damage and can cause death...
But how many rounds should it normally take to neutralize a threat with a .380? ...
October 24th, 2007 12:29 AM
Obviously, any round will inflict damage and can cause death...
But how many rounds should it normally take to neutralize a threat with a .380? I've heard that a double tap to center mass with a .40 or .45 will take someone out fairly quick, but will a .380 have just as much affect?
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October 24th, 2007 08:50 AM
according to most FBI and other 'official' reports i have read, the most important thing is shot placement, then penetration, then diameter.
there are soooo many factors that go into this that one cannot say a .40 or .45 will take someone out easy but a .38 or 9mm will not. thats just silly.
they have all been proven very effective.
October 24th, 2007 09:00 AM
It varies greatly with any caliber. Shoot till the threat stops is one school of thought.
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October 24th, 2007 10:13 AM
I woun't worry to much about what gun is the best, or the best "manstopper" ....PS: no handgun is a good manstopper" with the exception of the Goldengun and the phaser from Star Trek. I would more worry about am I trained to use it, and can I use it effectively.
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October 24th, 2007 11:07 AM
Will the gun run?
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Train with the pistol until you can answer both of those questions to the affirmative and then train some more. Caliber is a secondary issue.
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October 24th, 2007 02:00 PM
I think the old joke is "size may not matter, but you ain't gonna cross the ocean in a canoe!"
I think the goal is to find a gun that has the most power possible, that you can also conceal and shoot well. Somewhere in there is a happy medium for each person.
October 24th, 2007 02:14 PM
Neutralize a threat.
Honestly, you wont know till ya get there. Every threat is different. One threat might require one shot, another threat might take the whole magazine.
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October 24th, 2007 04:52 PM
You want to stop the BG...
shoot them in the foot then they cannot chase you, but then you probably mean stop as in down on the ground... and then the last time I stubbed my big toe I was down after I danced for a while.
Back on subject the .380 is actually rated quite high as a one shot stop round, right up there with the .38 special, but again as it has been said shot placement is critical.
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October 24th, 2007 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Sheldon J
October 24th, 2007 05:39 PM
Whoa! Not in the ballistic tables I've read. .380 falls way behind on penetration & energy. Marshall & Sandow, Fackler (FBI)...have I been reading the wrong stuff?
.380 is actually rated quite high as a one shot stop round, right up there with the .38 special
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October 24th, 2007 09:26 PM
Shot placement means a lot; I have watched James Bond take out a guy with a machine gun three stories up down the street while running, and he does it with one hand! Obviously the .380 must do the job!
I would carry one and feel secure, but I would remember that the shot must be very accurate if I have to take it.
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October 24th, 2007 09:33 PM
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I always tend to think - a poorly placed .45 is probably way less effective than a well placed coupla .380's!
True tho - even pipsqueek such as .22 if in right place can do the biz - but the odds are that usually bigger is better if - big IF - they are well placed. In the heat of an adrenalin rush and stress - who knows??
Lady luck will have much to do with it - oh, and Murphy!!
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October 26th, 2007 06:42 PM
I don't believe in magic calibers or rounds. I've seen someone take 7 rounds of .45 in the torso without a single critical hit and survive. I've seen someone take a single round of .22 and die. Many consider the .380 to be the smallest effective handgun round for self-defense. The smaller the round, the more critical bullet selection and shot placement become. The larger the round, the more margin for errors of judgement and placement. But asking how many rounds it takes can't be answered. It depends entirely on shot placement.
October 26th, 2007 06:58 PM
I'm not tiger hunting in India, nor am I a police officer in Detroit. My potential trouble spot may occur in a WalMart parking lot, about 5-7 feet away from my 'person'...or in a gas station 3-5 feet from my open car door.
In either case, I'm glad to have my Kimber .45 with me...but if I should only happen to have the P-3AT with me (I was in a hurry to just run up and get gas...), I know how to shoot it, it always goes bang, and at 3-7 feet, it's going to get someone's attention. After all, my reaction is going to be a reaction to something ALREADY suspected, it will be quick and violent...and a .380 will do just fine...BUT...i prefer the .45!
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October 26th, 2007 07:17 PM
No caliber is guaranteed to put a man down instantly unless it takes out the central nervous system (Spine or Medulla). Sure, shot placement being equal bigger is better (making it a bit easier to take out the CNS), but even a .22 can do it. If you count on your attacker to go down because you hit him COM twice with a big caliber, you might allow him to take you out with him. Back to your question: A single .380 will instantly incapacitate a man. Or it won't even bother him. Put as many on target as quickly as you can until you are no longer in danger.
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