What carry ammo 9mm??

This is a discussion on What carry ammo 9mm?? within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by rathos The best proven manstopper round is a Federal Hydrashock 124 grain load. This was from the book stopping power. They only ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rathos View Post
    The best proven manstopper round is a Federal Hydrashock 124 grain load. This was from the book stopping power. They only counted 1 shot stops (didn't have to kill just end the perp from attacking) and the 124 grain hydrashock fared the best. I find they shoot extremely well from all of my nines (kahr mk9 and beretta 92fs)
    I think you may be incorrect in your quote from said book,..... as I recall, it was the 115 grain Plus P Plus rounds that were the winners. It's all semantics anyhow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retiredswine View Post
    I think you may be incorrect in your quote from said book,..... as I recall, it was the 115 grain Plus P Plus rounds that were the winners. It's all semantics anyhow.
    Especially if you spell "semantics" as "S H O T--P L A C E M E N T." When I shifted away from the 45acp I also altered the way I train. I shifted away from COM to higher on the chest plate and walking on up: Throat and head for the initial shots.
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    I've always had good luck (accuracy, recoil, etc.) with 124gr. +P in 9mm. In my Ruger P-89 I carried the original Fed. Hydra-shocks and they always performed well.

    I currently carry a Glock G19 with roughly a 4" barrel. My current carry load is Cor-bon DPX 115gr. +P (it's lighter because it's all copper). I'd also feel well armed with Remington Golden Sabers, Speer Gold Dots, Fed. Hydra-shock and a few others (all in 124gr. +P). I hope to try Double Tap's Gold Dot load in the near future as well - their 50 count box runs about what I'm paying for 20 count box of DPX and I've been reading some pretty impressive reports from users.

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    I carry GDHP,124 gr....seem to shoot fine..

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    Double Tap 124's Gold Dot seem to work just fine in a Kahr MK9 & XD9(standard 4"). Good accuracy, etc.
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    I like Gold dot in my 9mm and ranger talons in my .40 cal

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    Quote Originally Posted by pleasantguywhopacks View Post
    Fired from a XD9 service 4" barrel from what I read on the first test, the second was out of a Glock 17 and I'm not sure about that barrel length.
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    http://www.btfh.net/shoot/bullet-test-3.html

    Now I know everyone is gonna scream you will never shoot more than 7 yds. I plan for 15 so I know 7 will be fine. For me personally 15 yds is a must.

    If you say so.........I mean I understand the philosophy of training at farther distances--> aim small miss small etc.... However, I think thats the least of your worries. The largest percent of your encounters occur at arms length. Most people who are training them selves for distance for SD have done no up close trainig. Have you ever tried to shoot your pistol from the hip (speed rock etc...)? Do you practice drawing and shooting while moving to the rear to increase your survivalbility? There probably have been people who have had to take over 7 yard shots with a pistol all the way out to 15 etc...
    I'm not trying to beat you up about this, but my whole point is you want to reduce risk, not just your own but others as well.

    Could I take a shot with a pistol out to 15 and hit a silouette easily on a range I do it all the time in IDPA matches!

    Could I take a shot out to 15 while taking incoming fire ummmm I dunno. That would require skill, luck, and a little bit of prayer to much risk involved. At this point I would be alot more comfortable with a rifle or carbine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob99VMI04 View Post
    If you say so.........I mean I understand the philosophy of training at farther distances--> aim small miss small etc.... However, I think thats the least of your worries. The largest percent of your encounters occur at arms length. Most people who are training them selves for distance for SD have done no up close trainig. Have you ever tried to shoot your pistol from the hip (speed rock etc...)? Do you practice drawing and shooting while moving to the rear to increase your survivalbility? There probably have been people who have had to take over 7 yard shots with a pistol all the way out to 15 etc...
    I'm not trying to beat you up about this, but my whole point is you want to reduce risk, not just your own but others as well.

    Could I take a shot with a pistol out to 15 and hit a silouette easily on a range I do it all the time in IDPA matches!

    Could I take a shot out to 15 while taking incoming fire ummmm I dunno. That would require skill, luck, and a little bit of prayer to much risk involved. At this point I would be alot more comfortable with a rifle or carbine.
    My shooting regimen encompasses slow fire distance shooting (60 rds @15 yds), then either shooting from a retention position (30 rds) - point blank, or point shooting (30 rds) retreating from a contact position cross stepping backward away at 45deg angle. The two latter drawing from concealment. I feel that the two latter give me plenty of up close work. I am sticking to the distance shooting for a few reasons.
    1. It promotes more accurate fire discipline.

    2. Some of todays mass shooting attacks are taking place in large commercial type buildings with some distance opportunity shots being required.

    3. It lets me shake out the more accurate ammo. After all if all it does is go bang then I should just carry firecrackers right?
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    Many individual guns exhibit marked preferences for certain ammo, at least until they're well broken in. If you're not having the best of luck with a given bullet in your gun, it's certainly worth trying a dozen other rounds, to see what's (a) reliable, (b) accurate and (c) otherwise appropriate for your goals.

    In my CZ P01's, I've found the DoubleTap 9mm JHP 124gr +P (with Gold Dot bullets) to be exceptional. Perfect feeding, smooth and reliable, consistent from batch to batch, and hard hitting. The Gold Dot bullet doesn't exactly show a bad track record, when it comes to evidence from departments that have used it and reported its performance, as written about in a few such studies floating around on the 'net. Don't have a P89 myself, so I can't suggest any specific round that would be better or preferable for that gun. My suggestion: try a variety, and keep narrowing down the field until you find that one perfect round that meets your goals.

    As for accuracy, it does, of course, depend on much, including how well the ammo matches the gun, how well the gun's balance and shooting characteristics match you and your shooting style, etc. In the end, it might not be the bullets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pleasantguywhopacks View Post
    My shooting regimen encompasses slow fire distance shooting (60 rds @15 yds), then either shooting from a retention position (30 rds) - point blank, or point shooting (30 rds) retreating from a contact position cross stepping backward away at 45deg angle. The two latter drawing from concealment. I feel that the two latter give me plenty of up close work. I am sticking to the distance shooting for a few reasons.
    1. It promotes more accurate fire discipline.

    2. Some of todays mass shooting attacks are taking place in large commercial type buildings with some distance opportunity shots being required.

    3. It lets me shake out the more accurate ammo. After all if all it does is go bang then I should just carry firecrackers right?

    Its obvious you've done some research. The whole point of this is use what your comfortable with and what you can use effectively. People use the bullet weight argument as the end all to be all in my opinion its not. Most people complain about their equipment when in the end the equipment is great and dead on, and works fine. My local Police having been using 9mm +p+ 115 grain Fed Hi-shok (not Hydra) for years and from what I hear most of them like it.

    Reliability or functionality in your gun is key!

    A few years ago I read a story about the PD that was in the most shootings for that year. IIRC it was San Diego or Fransico. I'm pretty sure it was in California. They where carrying 124 grain Gold dot, and when asked why they carry that the one officer said "It works" To each his own.

    I"m not saying this is you, but generally when some thing is outta wack you want to isolate the issue. The issue is generally the person pulling the trigger. You asked for an opinion I gave mine.
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    I appreciate all the input from everyone. This particular problem seems to only be in my 9mm carry. I don't have any problems with the .45. I shoot 230gr in the XD and the only reason I carry the nine is it's a tad smaller and does allow quicker follow up shots as well as the Stainless option for carry in a dirty work environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob99VMI04 View Post
    My local Police having been using 9mm +p+ 115 grain Fed Hi-shok (not Hydra) for years and from what I hear most of them like it.
    9CBPLE is the designation of that round.

    I like it too and used to carry it when it was cheaper than HST. Somehow it went to $30/50 while HST is still at $25/50...and what can I say...I'm cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellCT View Post
    9CBPLE is the designation of that round.

    I like it too and used to carry it when it was cheaper than HST. Somehow it went to $30/50 while HST is still at $25/50...and what can I say...I'm cheap.
    The very problem I find is I can't find any Federal HST for sale. The manufacturer and most dealers won't sell it to civilians. IMO that is silly. There are equally deadly rounds for sale but always are marketed in 20 rd boxes to civilians. I want the 147 gr HST for its accuracy potential in my gun as well as the fact that most LEO marked ammo is priced appropriately for 50 and not 20 or 25 rds. It's all marketing people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pleasantguywhopacks View Post
    ...As far as the gold dots at 15 yds they group left and a tad low using a traditional full bead sight picture. 147 gr shoot point of aim at this distance for me...
    If your 124gr GD's are grouping left and a tad low, then it isn't the ammo. If you are sensitive to the difference in recoil caused by 23gr in bullet weight, then it is much more likely that it is you who are consistently placing the bullets left and low. If you like the 124gr load, otherwise, and your shot placement is not a result of you anticipating the shot, then adjust your sights. If you prefer the performance of the heavier load, then get the heavier load. What is important is that you are confident and place your shots on target.
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    Well I found the HST's finally.

    www.streichers.com

    Looks like they have several options for carry ammo. All those Gold Dot fans , Hi shock fans can find there load there too.
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