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This is a discussion on Heavier 9mm JHPs within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Before you do that you might want to read http://www.neiassociates.org/caliber.htm Itís my understanding the heavier rounds are made for sub machine type weapons with longer ...

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    Before you do that you might want to read

    http://www.neiassociates.org/caliber.htm

    Itís my understanding the heavier rounds are made for sub machine type weapons with longer barrels instead of handguns.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tns0038 View Post
    Before you do that you might want to read

    http://www.neiassociates.org/caliber.htm

    Itís my understanding the heavier rounds are made for sub machine type weapons with longer barrels instead of handguns.
    testing was done with Glock 17 if I recall BARREL LENGTH
    114 mm / 4.49 in.
    Results should be valid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pleasantguywhopacks View Post
    testing was done with Glock 17 if I recall BARREL LENGTH
    114 mm / 4.49 in.
    Results should be valid.
    Yes, from readying the column, the Glock 17 was used for the test. And note how poorly the 147 gr did in the test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pleasantguywhopacks View Post
    testing was done with Glock 17 if I recall BARREL LENGTH
    114 mm / 4.49 in.
    Results should be valid.
    http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs9.htm
    This test report seems to indicate differently fine short barrel (3.5") performance.

    http://www.btammolabs.com/fackler/winchester_9mm.pdf
    Some PD actual shooting results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tns0038 View Post
    Yes, from readying the column, the Glock 17 was used for the test. And note how poorly the 147 gr did in the test.

    I think we are looking at two different test. The following links are my reference.


    http://www.btfh.net/shoot/bullet-test-3.html

    Federal HST 147gr

    Comments: Finally, my favorite (and ccw carry ) round. The Federal 147gr HST. So powerful, it could take your head right off. Well er, hopefully.
    Too many Dirty Harry movies lately :) Decent penetration, with the typical HST huge expansion, they continue to impress me with their performance
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    http://www.btfh.net/shoot/bullet-test-7.html
    For 9mm, I used the following rounds.

    127gr Winchester Ranger T, +p+ pressure, factory load.
    147gr Federal HST, standard pressure, factory load.
    147gr Winchester Black Talon, standard pressure, factory load.

    For 357 magnum, I used the following rounds.

    158gr Speer Gold Dot, loaded by Double Tap. Does about 1400fps based on prior testing out of my 686.
    125gr Remington Golden Saber, standard pressure, factory load.


    Results:

    .

    9mm observations:
    The HST performaned as expected. In other words, fairly deep with excellent expansion. The one HST did look pretty deformed, but it was intact, so I have no doubts it would of done the job on a hostile.
    The Ranger's kinda surprised me this time. Shot #1 was very deformed, the core was almost bent back on itself. Shot #2 suffered a core/jacket separtion. I've seen this before with the ultra high speed Rangers, but the surprise factor was how badly bent back the sharp petals were on both rounds. This cut down on their overall expansion compared to the HST's, but gave some really deep penetration. I believe that these rounds during this test spent excessive amounts of energy penetrating at the cost of expanding. I suspect the 147gr Rangers would work a lot better, something to test in my next round of denim shots. Finally the Black Talons. Despite the MASSIVE hype I've heard about these rounds, they didn't do anything really shocking. They penetrated and expanded ok, but not near as good as the more modern rounds. I'm not real surprised about this result, though I admit the Black Talons did perform better then I would of guessed.


    What about that says poorly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pleasantguywhopacks View Post
    I think we are looking at two different test. The following links are my reference.


    http://www.btfh.net/shoot/bullet-test-3.html
    yap.. sorry, for mix up.

    but I really liked your link...

    thanks

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