Need help with 9mm ammo

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    Need help with 9mm ammo

    ok, i am getting a new glock 19 here in a couple of weeks, and i am looking at ammo. i have 2 questions:

    1. should i use +p ammo or just regular rounds? i read that +p rounds can ware your gun out faster.

    here are the rounds that i am planning to use when i get my ccw:

    eather:
    Federal LE Tactical Hydra-Shok 124gr. +P+ HP
    or
    Federal LE Tactical HST 124gr. +P HP

    or should i not get the +p ammo?

    2. should i stay within the brand and bullet weight when shooting FMJ bullets at the range or will the gun be able to shoot different loads/bullets with the same general consistancy?

    thanks,
    russell

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    I don't get the +P of a 9mm. I don't think you gain anything ballistically, either externally or terminally speaking. The +P is an increase in chamber pressure over SAAMI standard. I think a good bullet from a standard pressure 9mm will do the job as is has been since 1902.

    For range ammo, whatever is cheapest. Before I reloaded, I shot CCI Blazer exclusively cause it was the cheapest. Save your money for the SD ammo.

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    Regular rounds will neutralize a subject just as well as a +P. The only diffence is that is you have to fire in the dark your nightvision will be greatly reduced with the +p due to the massive amount of fire from the muzzle. At least mine did with my M9 berretta.

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    There's no longer any real need for +P in 9mm. 15 years ago, maybe. But now, you don't need the extra velocity for the HP to open. Technology has advanced to the point where HPs will open equally reliably for all the 9mm loadings.

    +P is less shootable than standard pressure, and for no real value-add. Also, if you carry +P but shoot standard pressure at the range, then you introduce a training issue where 99% of your reps are one perceived recoil but your actual-gunfight recoil will be different. It's not an insurmountable problem, to be sure, but you can side-step the problem completely by carrying standard pressure ammo.

    My advice is to stick to the proven rounds: HST, Speer GD, Rem GS, Winchester Ranger T; in 124gr or 147gr standard pressure. They're all good. Pick one -- any one -- make sure it works well in your pistol, then forget about it.

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    i carry +p speer gold dot short barrel.
    im a believer in +p. enough said.
    as for range ammo- i would say get the cheapest brass ammo u can find.
    using one kind over another may change accuracy slightly, but its also good to do every once in a while- make sure its all feeding well, etc

    edit: yes muzzle flash can be an issue with +P. i have a 3" barrel and use gold dot short barrel. i have shot it a bunch in the pitch black with no muzzle flash.

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    Don't think +p is necessary, and *may* contribute to a longer shot-recovery period. I've always assumed that flash would be a bigger problem too, but I've never tried it in the dark, so if Fries says it doesn't, then Okey-Dokey.
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    I agree with Cupcake,

    +P is not really needed now for 9mm, if it makes you feel better than use it, but I don't think there is enough difference in bullet preformance to justify use of +P
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    Standard velocity will work just as well.

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    For 9mm, I use Corbon 115 gr. +P for defense purposes in my Sig 226. For practice, usually WWB since it's a lot cheaper.
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    note: i said i dont have flash problems with my +p in a short barrel.
    remember im using ammo design for a short barrel.
    i have used other +p and there is muzzle flash. although even in complete dark, most were not bad. so try it out in the dark if you can before deciding on a carry ammo

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    thanks for the input, i probably won't get +p.

    russell

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    One very valid reason for +P would be to aid in functioning if the pistol is very dirty (perhaps from being dropped in mud or otherwise having foreign material get into the mechanism). The +P may be able to cycle the slide where a standard-pressure round may not be able to.

    That said, I carry standard-pressure Winchester Ranger (RA9T).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCGuy View Post
    One very valid reason for +P would be to aid in functioning if the pistol is very dirty (perhaps from being dropped in mud or otherwise having foreign material get into the mechanism). The +P may be able to cycle the slide where a standard-pressure round may not be able to.
    Alternatively, you could carry a Glock where this is moot.

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    HydraShok or Remingtons "Golden Sabers" for CC.
    UMC's or Winchesters for target.
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    small bore, "large" muzzle velocity ... why not maximize that advantage as much as possible?! if i was carrying a 4"+ barrel 9mm, it would probably be at least +p if not +p+, and in a g19, i wouldn't worry a single bit about firing +p+ rounds through it every day

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