Ammo question

Ammo question

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    Ammo question

    A friend gave me 8 rounds of 40S&W ammo that he claims are Ceramic bullets the headstamp say IVI . I have done some research and found out the company they are from is called Industries Valcartier Inc located in Quebec, Canada. I am trying to get more info on these rounds I have no idea what there weight is nor if they are of good quality and if it is safe to fire them out of my Glock 23 . Any info anyone has would be helpful

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    Never heard of Ceramic bullets. Hopefully someone has a real answer.
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    I'm thinking ceramic could possibly shatter down your barrel. But what I have heard about them, dunno if it is true or not. Is that they were devoloped as an alternative to lead, for "green" reasons. Also that they have much lower velocities than standard bullets. They are frangibles, and the rumors I heard was that the sky marshalls used them because they were less likely to penatrate an aircraft hull. This could just be mall ninja BS, but just sharing what I have heard.

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    Do they look any different? Got pictures? Maybe you could pull one and saw it in half or something.
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    Saw an intersting piece last nite on Discovery about bullets....the miltary is developing "green Rounds" to minimize the lead pollution...they are making them out of all kinds of stuff like tungsten/nylon etc.mmmmmaybe they are some of these new "green" rounds of sorts....I don't believe there are any secret Batman super duper special ,only possesed by the president type bullets floating around out there...those would have been developed already and sold at WalMart....

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    Do a Google search for "Industries Valcartier, Inc". They are a subsidiary of General Dynamics Ordnance of Canada & they produce small arms ammo.

    Here's a sample of their cartridge headstamp:

    When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
    And the women come out to cut up what remains,
    Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
    And go to your God like a soldier.

    Rudyard Kipling


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    Here is something I found on their web page

    Small Calibre
    Cartridges 9 mm

    Greenshield® Cartridges

    Part of Simunition® family, this 9 mm lead-free/non-toxic frangible training cartridge is designed to reduce health and safety hazards by eliminating exposure to lead and other heavy metals. It also reduces ricochet and splashback since, even at highly oblique angles, its polymer projectile shatters on impact with an appropriate steel target or backstop material. Designed for use in duty weapons without conversion, this environmentally friendly cartridge delivers striking accuracy at normal firing distances and produces recoil identical to that of duty ammunition. Ideal for training indoor and outdoor as well as in MOUT and FIBUA environments. Check for further details.

    On the simunitions site they also show some short range training ammo.
    If it is either one of these I guess they would be fine for target practice but I would definitely not use them for self defense ammo.
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