Non Lethal Ammunition - Perfection?

Non Lethal Ammunition - Perfection?

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    Non Lethal Ammunition - Perfection?

    I was watching a show on ammunition on either Discovery or History channel the other day. A army munitions expert made the comment that if there could be a round that effectively stopped the target as effectively as lethal round but was non-lethal it would be the perfect round.

    Do you think a non-lethal round that was at least as effective in stopping a BG as our conventional ammo is better?

    Would you pay more for this knowing you wouldn't have to deal with taking another person's life but could still protect yourself?



    My opinion is there would be so many complications that would make it almost impossible to implement, from cost, regulation, and effectiveness. However hypothetically I'd just as soon not kill someone and still protect myself than the alternative.
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    I doubt such an effective non-lethal round will be available to us any time before Sesquatch and the Tooth Fairy run for president.
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    I dont want to kill anybody either...but it makes me wonder if the bad guys would soon outnumber us good guys without a little population control.

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    if a non lethal round was more effective at actually stopping someone,
    then yes. but because its more effective, not because its nonlethal

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    Quote Originally Posted by friesepferd View Post
    if a non lethal round was more effective at actually stopping someone,
    then yes. but because its more effective, not because its nonlethal
    I like your thinking.


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    I've always fantasized about a "bullet" that would freeze someone in place for 30 minutes.

    Long enough to stop the bad guy, long enough for police to get there, or for you to adequately secure him, but he suffers no harm.

    You can pretty much forget about lawsuits if that was the case.






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    Someday perhaps.

    We still have a long way to go though.
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    I see such things in movies all the time. It has to be possible.

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    So......after you "incapacitate" the bad guy, will he automatically become a good guy when he does get back up?

    There's a reason the Military shoots the enemy with bullets, it lessens the pool of combatants.

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    Fortunately, cleaning out the gene pool is not my job.

    If I could have a Star Trek phaser with a reliable "stun" function, I'd be on it like a duck on a junebug.

    Until then it's .45ACP for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raytracer View Post
    Fortunately, cleaning out the gene pool is not my job.
    (/SNIP)

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    DING DING! Agreed 100%. My job is to protect myself,and/or loved ones.

    I would love a non-lethal round. The legal ramification of fighting for your life,and the lives of your loved ones,can be enough of a battle should you need to use your carry weapon.(In other words,should you kill him. Or actual use of "lethal force".)


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    Showing my age here. "Doc Savage" had bullets that paralyzed the bad guy then they did operations to turn them into good guys. See Doc Savage books.

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    I'd take it too. With the rate of technology being what it is, I wouldn't be surprised to see something like this in my life. Imagine some sort of compressed projectile that strikes and object and disintegrates on the surface, the force of the impact converting kinetic energy into a high voltage electrical shock. They already have unwieldy 12-gauge taser shells. I know it is outlandish and not really based in science, but sometimes you have to suspend the known laws of physics to imagine possibilities like that.

    Something like this would definitely change things in a major way. All of a sudden, laws would probably become more lenient to the use of such projectiles in guns, people would pull out guns and use them with less provocation. I'm not saying the whole situation would be worse overall, but I am saying that when the lethality of firearms becomes obsolete because of shifts towards more effective non-lethal technology, you'll see a (corporate buzzword alert!) paradigm shift in the way weapons are viewed. So many things would change...and I'd certainly not be surprised to see traditional "lethal" firearms being outlawed in a hurry, with one of their main justifications being removed.

    Also, with my suggested magical taser bullet idea, you also have to consider that as soon as a new technology is introduced, countermeasures will be developed. It is difficult to counter the sheer kinetic force of a bullet, but electrical weapons could be easily countered I believe.

    I still think the old hollowpoint backed by a stout charge of smokeless is going to be around a LOT longer.
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    I wouldn't mind being able to load the first round in my xd with a taser round. Then even a hit that wouldn't normally stop might. If it doesn't work then I've a bunch of JHPs on standby.
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    I think its a bad idea. Bullets work fine...why change? So violent criminals can be tried by the justice system? Hmm...

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