This is a discussion on Hollow Points for Safety or Extreme Damage within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Hivoltage Why do most of you keep hollow points in your gun? We had a murder case locally ( a teenage girl ...
When you only have the pathetic number of ft*lbs available from a handgun (of any caliber), you want all of them to be deposited in the target. If the bullet doesn't stop in the target, then it's taking some of those ft*lbs with it. If hollow point bullets do indeed expand better than ball ammo, then they should have a better chance of stopping in the target.
Plus, they look bad-ass and often are packaged with bad-ass sounding names. So you go that goin for ya.
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How is pathetic defined as it pertains to handguns? A hundred foot/pounds? A thousand foot/pounds?
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If you have already consedered a weapon and ammo, for defense, you use the most lethal round you can. If it is not hot, it is not worth loading.
I agree with Post #2. The DA is in the Brady Bunch.
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I don't use them for safety. I use them because they are generally more effective bullets in a personal defense situation. Being safer is just a pleasant byproduct of the bullet being able to expend most or all of its energy within the target and do more damage.
here in KY, my conceal permit also covers weapons like clubs, saps, various types of large knives, automatic knives, brass knuckles etc. I wonder what the prosecutors arguments would be if I used some brass knuckles or better yet, a 4.5" folder to defend myself? I'm not sure I know how to humanely stab someone in the neck or cave in someone's skull.
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I use them for stoppage potential and safety. However, I also carry 4 HPs up top in the magazine. The rest are hardcast or bonded rounds. I figure after the first 2-3 and IF no hits, the BG or BGs are taking cover. Then I will use rounds to penetrate car doors, walls, etc. I do carry a 9mm but have started to carry my .357 Sig more. In semi-autos, if it isn't a 10mm, I feel most comforted by a .357 Sig. It hits stuff harder than my .45 or my 40. Still, it's always 4 HPs up top. I do this if in town or if hiking. The only time I use all bonded or hardcast is if I'm hiking in areas Bears frequent. That said, I have only seen one and when it saw me, it hightailed it outta there like it had seen Lucifer.
I use JHP's because I want to stop the aggression against me as quickly as possible. I am now 63 and enjoying the fruits of my lifelong labors. I'll be danged if I'm going to be injured or killed by someone who is too lazy to work and chooses to steal! I don't want to hurt anyone but I refuse to be a victim. ⚡
Good reminder from Mas Ayoob about the lessons learned from the case: click ...
The gunnies on here will remember that the prosecutor made a huge deal of Fish using a 10mm Kimber pistol and Federal hollow point ammunition to protect himself, convincing at least some on the jury that the large caliber gun and the somehow extra-deadly bullets were indications of malice. The appellate court didn’t argue with that, apparently feeling that such arguments are within an adversary’s purview. Lesson there: be able to articulate why you, like most cops, choose a powerful handgun and effective ammunition to defend yourselves and your loved ones.
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There is absolutely no credence to the supposition that you will be sued if the person you shoot survives but will not if he is killed. The standard will be whether or not the shooting was justified, not what happened as a result of the shooting.
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