good read... thanks
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I was surprised to hear the 380 was recomended over the 38.
Ammunition For The Self-Defense Firearm
Very nice. I will be using this info in the very near future.
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I went back and read the whole column. An excellent read. But, I did notice something.
It’s information is based on an older report. When I worked for the Feds in the 90’s, they issued 124 gr. 9 mm Federal Hydra-Shok. Not the 147 gr. referred to in the column.
And, the 10mm turned out to have to much recoil, for females and smaller males.
So they replaced it with the 40 caliber. Basically a lighter 10mm round, and went with Glock instead of S&W.
Even for personally owned pistols, at that time the 380 was not approved at all. Only the 9 mm and 45 autos were.
That info is about 10 years old.
I would read it for the general ideas, but then I'd look for more modern material to cross reference with.
Sorry didn't realize it was that old.
Most of the info is still valid, but regarding 9mm 147 grain ammo, it is out of date.
Check Ayoob's new edition of his book on combat handgunnery. His ammo chapter goes into how the 147 grain loads have come into their own after so long.
That isn't to say some of this guy's favorite loads like 9BPLE (federal classic 115 grain +p+) or 124 grain +p Gold Dot aren't still killers...its just that the days of saying to someone carrying a 147 grain 9mm round "Oh man, you aren't seriously going to try to use that...I mean...its a 147 grain 9mm...get real..." are over provided modern ammo is used.
Not a bad read, although I agree that the 147gr 9mm info is pure bunk (at least today). It's great short barrel ammo.
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"It's great short barrel ammo".
What gives you that thought? (I mean that in an interested way,
not a critical way).
An interesting read, but the 9mm has much pure bunk. The Federal HST 147gr JHP is a proven round and actually penetrates 2" more than the +p 124gr HST in ballistic gel.
I have fire many rounds of 147gr HST's without any malfunction at of any kind.
I have no quams about depending on the 147gr HST in my XD 9sc.
But I think it may be alittle outdated...