Maximum Effective range of a 9mm carbine

Maximum Effective range of a 9mm carbine

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    Maximum Effective range of a 9mm carbine

    I am trying to determine the range in which a 9mm carbine rifle can be accurately used? Any input would be greatly appreciated.


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    About 100 yards is about the absolute max. I'd not consider it for routine use beyond 50 to 75. Just no energy left in the round.
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    I would personally say 75-100 yrds...

    Here is some more info...
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    Good advice above,

    I would consider 100 meters the max effective range.
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    With a 25 yard zero, using a typical load, in this case I used a Hornady 9mm 124 grain XTP traveling at the average speed of 1250 FPS, the bullet has a drop of 36.4 inches at the distance of 170 yards, with a muzzle energy of 235.8 foot pounds.

    Defiantly not a long range round. I used 170 as the maximum range because the bullet drop is about half of the average size man...meaning that if was was standing at 170 yards away and you aimed for to top of his head, you would hit him in the belly.

    You might be able to do it if you practiced, but hitting a man with any consistency at much past that range would be a stretch.

    This was calculated using the JBM Ballistic Calculator.
    You can check it out and play with it here.
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    I've been using it for years for long range shooting. Its pretty accurate and cuts all of the BS out of the arguments and speculation.
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    I will echo the earlier statements regarding accuracy. For me, 100 yds is about it. I can hit a man sized target (B-26) pretty regularly at that distance. Anything more and misses out number hits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    This was calculated using the JBM Ballistic Calculator.
    You can check it out and play with it here.
    http://http://www.eskimo.com/~jbm/ca...culations.html


    I've been using it for years for long range shooting. Its pretty accurate and cuts all of the BS out of the arguments and speculation.
    That link is pure Gold HotGuns!! Thanks, Rex
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    I use a Colt SMG with a 10.5" bbl. Within 50m, it is viciously accurate (I'm zeroed at 50). Out to 100m, torso hits are still pretty darned easy. Too far beyond that, and - while I'm sure the weapon is capable of making hits - the 9mm just doesn't pack enough oomph for me to feel comfortable. FWIW, I think a pistol caliber carbine is one of the best candidates for a 0 magnification optic like an AimPoint or an EOTech...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    With a 25 yard zero, using a typical load, in this case I used a Hornady 9mm 124 grain XTP traveling at the average speed of 1250 FPS, the bullet has a drop of 36.4 inches at the distance of 170 yards, with a muzzle energy of 235.8 foot pounds.

    Defiantly not a long range round. I used 170 as the maximum range because the bullet drop is about half of the average size man...meaning that if was was standing at 170 yards away and you aimed for to top of his head, you would hit him in the belly.

    You might be able to do it if you practiced, but hitting a man with any consistency at much past that range would be a stretch.

    This was calculated using the JBM Ballistic Calculator.
    You can check it out and play with it here.
    http://http://www.eskimo.com/~jbm/ca...culations.html


    I've been using it for years for long range shooting. Its pretty accurate and cuts all of the BS out of the arguments and speculation.
    Hi HotGuns,

    Thanks for the info. However, it is at odds with info provided at The Maryland AR15 Shooters Site

    The table shows a bullet drop of only 19.3 inches at 175 yds with a 25 yd zero. I only have a 100 yd range to shoot at but the bullet drops I have experienced at 100 yds is pretty close to the Maryland AR15 Shooters Site. I don't doubt the output from the Ballistic Calculator but I was just curious about what could cause such a difference in data? Would the difference in bullet weights cause that much of a difference?

    Thx!

    Edited to add: The second table shows data using a 147 gr subsonic round and this showed a 39 inch drop at 175 yds. Maybe the difference in bullet weight can cause the large difference!

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    JBM - Calculations

    A change in ANY of the plugin data may show a significant change in the results...even something as simple as a change in Ballistic Coefficient of the bullet.

    The only way the calculator will work is to use what you have to plug in. I used a fairly common load as an example. Bullet weight, speed in FPS and and zero range makes a lot of difference.
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    I've shot my Hi-Point carbine and some of my handguns at 200 yds. The only time I can get consistent hits are prone or from the bench. From prone over a pack, I could usually get about 80+% torso hits. With the G19, G27 and G22 that dropped to 40-50%. Energy drops but it's still a much better poke than a .32 ACP at the muzzle. I haven't done this in a couple of years and it sounds like it's time to try it again.

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    my highpoint is accurate past 100 yards, even with 115 gr +p+ i would still say that 100 yards is max ..

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    100 yard max?
    With a pistol perhaps.

    I think a carbine with a decent scope ought to be able to do a lot better.
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    Except for HotGuns max right because of drop, HotGuns is right. There is no reason a 9mm round isn't a 170 or 200 yard round out of a carbine. At 200 yards, it has considerably more energy than a .380 95 gr. bullet @ 800-900 fps at 1 foot, these being velocities of some of the compact 380s carried for defensive use.

    Scoped, I find it easy to make head shots with my Beretta Storm CX4 at 100 yards.
    At 200, dinner plate patterning is about the best I get.
    At 300, lots of complete misses on human sized silhouettes.
    At 400, I end up hitting the target with about as many rounds skipped off the ground as are struck directly.

    Given my abilities and those of the platform and scope combination, I would guess that for me, the round becomes and area target round at around 225-250 yards when I can no longer reliably hit a human sized target.

    9mm isn't an idea longer range caliber, but few pistol calibers. However, I would not suggest that it is limited to just 100 yards. It is useful beyond that range.

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