This is a discussion on Eye Opener within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Yes, you are correct. But regardless of bullet design, I personally would go with the larger and heavier caliber. Just my personal choice. I read ...
June 2nd, 2008 10:10 AM
Yes, you are correct. But regardless of bullet design, I personally would go with the larger and heavier caliber. Just my personal choice. I read the info about bullet design, speed, etc. but I think you odds are improved with a bigger round if you can shoot it accurately and quickly. You should carry what you are comfortable with and what you can shoot and what you can conceal.
Just stating my observations - nothing scientific or controled - just a fun day at the range.
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June 2nd, 2008 10:10 AM
June 2nd, 2008 10:46 AM
Do you realize how many kids are killed each year by a baseball during a game? We need a law regulating those things as dangerous kid killers, so where is Sara Brady when you need her?
Originally Posted by mcp1810
EDIT: sorry I could't resist.
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June 2nd, 2008 11:41 AM
Would you mind posting the source location link or name of the article your read regarding the morgue person.
I'd like to read it as well.
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June 2nd, 2008 02:18 PM
Well that all makes sense, since the .45 has more mass and energy, therefore will transfer more of it into the plates. A simple look at any ballistics chart or some simple calculations would give the same results.
Here is one for you though. Get a 20lb propane bottle and shoot at it will the same calibers weapons the 9mm, 40, and 45. Which one is going to penetrate the propane bottle first? I will give you a clue, it isn't the .45.
I will continue to carry my .45, 9mm or even ..380 each one when the circumstances and place I go dictate. All of them will kill you if I hit what I am aiming for.
Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.
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June 2nd, 2008 02:28 PM
Your right, but what people forget is not to kill as such, it's to stop the attack, with people high on drugs.By the way I carry 45-acp, I saw what can happen with 9mm's hitting a 90lb man high on drugs in the chest one time and two in the gut. He was still shooting and trying to kill from 15 to 20 sec's later.The key is to stop the fight.
Originally Posted by farronwolf
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June 28th, 2008 09:51 PM
I remember reading a thread that sounds like this (maybe on rec.guns). Turns out the guy wasn't near as credible as he made himself out to be and went back in his hole under the bridge.
Originally Posted by Janq
June 28th, 2008 10:52 PM
I am not a bullet/ballistics/expansion/damage expert kind of fella, but this appears to be an unfounded conclusion and generalization that might be misunderstood by some readers.
Originally Posted by Tally XD
I think the grain weight of the bullet should be based on the the barrel length, the powder load, and several other factors beyond my ken. I don't think the 9 mm 147gr performance is always better, and in fact, may be worse than the 115 gr and the 124 gr 9 mm dependent on the gun shot from (barrel length). Having said that though, I don't know the answer, other than that appeared to be a overly simplified answer.
Any help here guys?
June 28th, 2008 11:02 PM
So as not to get into the age old debate and endless argument of bullet weight,speed,performance, no matter what you shoot, just keep shooting until the threat ceases.
Better to be safe than sorry. When in doubt, keep shooting till its over.
See?..nice and easy to remember.
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June 28th, 2008 11:08 PM
Originally Posted by HotGuns
June 28th, 2008 11:33 PM
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June 29th, 2008 08:45 AM
I love HotGuns reply. That is it!
I am of the mind that it is penetration depth and expansion of the bullet gets to the ".. keep shooting until its over" part quicker. Since no human has an exoskeleton of steel plate toughness, I'll be happy with the 9mm in a good JHP design. When out in the woods, I'll be happy with the 10mm (for better penetration on 4 legged creatures).
June 29th, 2008 10:32 AM
What I was gonna say. Just recently started using 10mm (not carrying yet) and holy crap!! There actually is a noticeable difference between it and the service calibers.
Originally Posted by SatCong
Pretty much where I'm at. The shootability, capacity, and recorded stops being pretty good with 9mm will keep me carrying it. Although I do love my G20.
Originally Posted by sojourner
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