185 recoil vs 230

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    185 recoil vs 230

    In a .45 ACP will the 185 grain have less felt recoil than the 230's? I am assuming it has less, but not sure.
    The reason I ask is because we are carrying 185 grain for SD and practicing with the 230's.
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    Theoretically the lighter bullet travels faster and the heavier bullet travels slower. Those are the mass (weight 'm') and velocity (c) values for the equation. I'm still thinking the 230gr would have more perceived recoil. I'll have to test that theory with standard loads.

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    It depends. The charge will most likely not be the same for different bullet weights. Typically, I've found a heavier bullet to have more felt recoil, but also, about the only times I use heavier bullets is for personal defense ammo, which is usually loaded hotter.

    What brands are you using? If your 185 grain are +P and the 230 are standard, then the 185 grain will probably have more felt recoil.

    I've found powder charge has a lot more to do with recoil than bullet weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danger Mouse View Post
    In a .45 ACP will the 185 grain have less felt recoil than the 230's? I am assuming it has less, but not sure.
    You're opening a can of works on that question. Which one recoils more or less isn't so much an issue as how well you take to the type of recoil the round provides. You go from a snap to a thud; some people like snap, some like a thud. I don't really look at it as more, just different.

    That's just my opinion on the matter.
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    The 230's I practice with are cowboy action bullets reloaded with 5.0 grains of win231 powder
    My wife carry's 230 grain Speers Gold Dots and I mistakenly got a box of 185 +P Gold Sabers. Thinking about it they probably are close to the same, the lighter bullet is +P and the heavier is standard.
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    Newton's Third Law says, "Every action will have an equal and opposite reaction."
    I would think that rather than look at bullet weight, look at muzzle energy.

    The energy figure combines the weight and velocity into the "action" that produces the recoil.

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    I switched back to the 230 gr standard pressure from the 200+P, personally I find the +p rounds to have a little more snap than I prefer for follow up rounds.

    One way to see is to load a mag with alternating rounds, fire slowly and see if you feel the difference.
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    185+p GS makes my arthritis act up, standard 230 doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuda66 View Post
    Honestly, I can't tell the difference.
    I can not either.

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    I was at the range today shooting both 230 FMJ and 185 Golden Sabres. To me, the Golden Sabres felt like they had a stronger, sharper recoil impulse. The 230's were military surplus ball ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4my son View Post
    I switched back to the 230 gr standard pressure from the 200+P, personally I find the +p rounds to have a little more snap than I prefer for follow up...
    +1 Plus the 230 has a great track record.
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    I can't feel the difference in the two bullets.

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    In similarly hot loadings, I think the mild difference between the two is this: the .45ACP 185gr has a somewhat sharper, faster kick with increased muzzle rise, whereas a 230gr has a less-sharp, though harder, kick, more of a push back into the hands. In a mild to moderate loading, I don't see much difference.
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    In terms of recoil, "momentum" is what is important.

    Momentum (p) equals mass (m) times velocity (v).

    p=mv.

    After the gun is fired, the gun will recoil backward with an equal but opposite momentum of that of the bullet. The recoil velocity of the gun will be equal to the bullet momentum divided by the mass of the gun. (Or if you like, take the muzzle velocity of the bullet and multiply it by the ratio of the bullet mass divided by the gun mass).

    Since the gun has so much more mass than the bullet, its recoil speed is much much less than bullet.

    With 185 grain bullet, the muzzle velocity is higher than that of a 230 grain bullet. However, its mass is quite a bit less than 230. Even though its velocity has increased, its momentum actually decreases due to the much larger decrease in bullet mass.

    As an example consider Hornady .45 ACP ammo;

    185 g
    970 ft/s

    total momentum = (185g) times (970 ft/s) = 179,450 g ft/s

    230 g
    850 ft/s

    total momentum = (230g) times (850 ft/s) = 195,500 g ft/s

    Thus, the 185 grain bullet has "less momentum" than a 230 grain bullet. This is why it is referred to as a "lower recoil" load.

    However, for a +P 200g bullet the muzzle velocity is 1055 ft/s. This results in a momentum of 211,000 g ft/s.
    This round will have a larger recoil than a regular .45 230 grain "non +P" round.
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