"Use what local police use" SD ammo?

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    "Use what local police use" SD ammo?

    I know this has been tossed around here before but I'd like to revisit this topic. I've heard a lot about the whole concept of "use what the local or state police use" for defensive ammo and was wondering how many people on this forum follow this?

    I bought Corbon DPX for both my carry guns; Ruger LCP and Kahr CW40 and have been having second thoughts about using this. In the case I ever have to defend myself, would using this ammo make it look bad in court as opposed to say Speer Gold Dot? I'm pretty sure my local police force uses that.

    What are your thoughts out there?
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    I use either Gold Dot or Federal HST. That way, if I am asked why I use "cop killer" bullets, I can say that I use what law enforcement uses.
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    I use whatever functions flawlessly in my weapons, I honestly don't even know what the local PD uses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyeLCPL View Post
    I use whatever functions flawlessly in my weapons, I honestly don't even know what the local PD uses.
    +1 on this. However, I use Ranger ammunition. I suppose I get the best of both worlds because it's great defensive ammo, and it says "law enforcement ammunition" right on the box. That way the sheeple in the jury can SEE that I obviously was using law enforcement ammunition instead of the box marked "cop killa gangsta heat" at the gun store....It's pathetic we should even have to have this discussion. (no disrespect to the OP)
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyeLCPL View Post
    I use whatever functions flawlessly in my weapons, I honestly don't even know what the local PD uses.
    Sometimes the PD will use the cheapest ammo available to cut costs,I use whatever I have available I have used Remington 230grn JHP and I currently have Federal 230+P HST,I have 9mm 124 grn HST,remember there is no magic bullet.
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    I was told by several LEO's (at 3 diff agencies) to use what LEO's use for the very reason you stated. In Colorado, LEO's in the 3 largest metros (Denver, Colo. Springs & Pueblo) all use Federal Hydra-shock (.45, 230 JHP). It's not about "playing cop." It's about trusting the judgement of the three largest agencies in the State. They've got the resources and the wherewithall to do the research. If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. Personally, I like the energy of Magetech Guardian Gold (540#) or the Double Tap Speer Gold Dots (616#); but on this one, I'm not going to fight City Hall! BTW - all of the above function flawlessly in both of my 1911's.
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    I cant speak for LEO but advertising "This is what the Military Uses" means you are using the cheapest ammo bought in bulk.

    Just my 2 cents. Oh man now I'm broke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sniper58 View Post
    I was told by several LEO's (at 3 diff agencies) to use what LEO's use for the very reason you stated. In Colorado, LEO's in the 3 largest metros (Denver, Colo. Springs & Pueblo) all use Federal Hydra-shock (.45, 230 JHP). It's not about "playing cop." It's about trusting the judgement of the three largest agencies in the State.
    What I was really getting at was the idea that using what the police use would help your case if you had to go to court against an agressive attorney accusing you of using "special killer bullets" or something.
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    On a local police dept standing ( i have no idea what the sheriffs dept does ) you can be issued a glock 17 or you may carry what you choose to purchace in a simiar auto . ( one officer carrys an xd in .40 ) with the undrstanding that if you carry non standard gun(s) you are responsible to provide your ammo for training .

    Its a pretty good ( as far as small agency's goes policy ) requiring basicly that the pistol function , and if you choose a non standard ( other than 9mm) ctg well you pay for your ammo .
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    Quote Originally Posted by InspectorGadget View Post
    I cant speak for LEO but advertising "This is what the Military Uses" means you are using the cheapest ammo bought in bulk.

    Just my 2 cents. Oh man now I'm broke.
    O how true that one is. SonofaSniper, I see where you are coming from completely, and in some ways it makes sense. But then again everything, from your ammo to you gun, to how fast you call 911, ect... will be taken into account. Do you use the same weapon they issue as well (I realize on the internet remarks can be seen different ways, that question has no ill-will in it nor am i trying to be a smart donkey, just an honest question, if you use their ammo, shouldn't you logically use their weapon?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by EW3 View Post
    What I was really getting at was the idea that using what the police use would help your case if you had to go to court against an agressive attorney accusing you of using "special killer bullets" or something.
    I think an advocate for the other side will try anything; but, that being said, I suspect that any commercial ammunition will be fine if the shooting is legally justified. I will also say that I am not personally aware of any case where someone made the "handloads-of-death" argument stick, but I just choose to eliminate that possibility by carrying commercial ammunition defensively.

    I have no idea what our local LEOs carry as their issue ammunition. I suspect it may vary by agency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyeLCPL View Post
    Do you use the same weapon they issue as well
    Definitely food for thought...if you subscribe to using the ammo the police use, why not use the same gun as well.

    No matter what you use there are always 2 sides in court, the other to emphasize the opposite of what you did or had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by semperfi.45 View Post
    Definitely food for thought...if you subscribe to using the ammo the police use, why not use the same gun as well...
    Good point.

    IMHO, using the same ammo as LE is a fine idea. That way, if the need arises, you can have a LEO testify as an expert witness as to why they carry that ammo. It cannot hurt you.

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    I don't really get all of this personally. What difference does it make what the local law enforcement agencies use?

    I follow the logical reasoning that you use what works in your weapon, that you can hit what your shooting at with, and has good results when it hits your target, whether it is expansion, penetration or whatever, depending on what caliber, barrel length and such.

    If we all follow the logic that if it is good enough for the LEO's then yes you should buy the same type of gun and ammo, the same type of flashlight, spray, belt, down the line. Heck, why not just try to get hired on by them. I am not a LEO, nor do I know what type of ammo they use. I don't really care.

    If I am ever involved in a shooting, I am sure that the type of ammo that I use is going to be least of my worries. BTW, I use 3 different types of ammo, in 3 different guns, but they all work.


    ETA: Later this year when I get enough time and the testing done, I will probably be using Speer Gold Dot lead in my own loads, and won't worry about it. After I am satisfied with the load workup, and ballistics, expansion etc. they should do the same thing that factory loads are designed to do.
    Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.
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    EW - The reason I posted what I did is specifically to answer your question. Several LEO's suggested I carry what I carry specifically to take that attorney's question off the table, before the fact, rather than explain it afterwards.

    For those who can make the quantum leap from using the same bullets as LEO to working full-time as an LEO, THAT I don't get. Last I checked, flashlights, spray and belts are NOT lethal and will probably not be called into question in court unless someone is playing cop. Bullets, on the other hand, are frequently called into question. We spend a good hour on this in the CCW class taught by a defense attorney. I am not an attorney and do not have ready access to case law. I don't care to make case law either. I'm just going on the advice of my attorney and several rather large agencies. To each their own, I guess.
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