Pool Shooting

Pool Shooting

This is a discussion on Pool Shooting within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I was thinking about firing some rounds into my full swimming pool (without swimmers) so I could easily retrieve the expanded bullet. Does anyone know ...

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    Pool Shooting

    I was thinking about firing some rounds into my full swimming pool (without swimmers) so I could easily retrieve the expanded bullet. Does anyone know of a reason not to do this?

    I have a gunite pool that is 8 feet at deep end, 3 feet at shallow.


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    Lead in the pool

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    I don't know of a reason not to...but...if it did not work and punched a hole in the pool, that would be kinda costly.

    Is there a reason you need to do ballistics tests? Are you checking on a local murder or something.

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    Mythbusters has done some episodes shooting into a pool.

    Here is just one but there are more.
    YouTube - Myth-busters test guns

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    Go for it, that is one way to keep people from peeing in your pool!!!

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    If you do it while your daughter's new boyfriend is over, combine it with a lot of swearing and a phony story about the last boyfriend...could be very effective.
    Good luck with the testing!
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    I see no reason it shouldnt work. Would be fun not to have to load up four new milk jugs with water each time you shoot!
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    The episode of mythbusters I saw, every round they fired into the pool exploded into many pieces. IIRC the rounds did not go more than a few feet. They even fired a few 50 Cal. rounds that exploded on impact with the water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    If you do it while your daughter's new boyfriend is over, combine it with a lot of swearing and a phony story about the last boyfriend...could be very effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadeye72 View Post
    The episode of mythbusters I saw, every round they fired into the pool exploded into many pieces. IIRC the rounds did not go more than a few feet. They even fired a few 50 Cal. rounds that exploded on impact with the water.
    The thing you need to remember is that all of the rounds they fired into the pool were rifle rounds. At rifle velocities, they all virtually shattered within a few feet. HOWEVER, they started out the test shooting a pistol into a tank they constructed. The results were:
    Water tank tests

    They built a 'ballistic tank' out of 1" thick acrylic and iron girders. They stuck a block of ballistics gel into the tank that could be raised up and down to different depths.

    * 9mm @ 6ft: the bullet went straight through the ballistic gel -- fatal
    * 9mm @ 7ft: the bullet went straight through again -- fatal
    * 9mm @ 8ft: the bullet only went 1/2" into the gel -- non-fatal
    I WOULD NOT recommend shooting a pistol into your pool. As you can see from the results above, at seven feet, the bullet completely penetrated a block of ballistic gelatin and went into the block 1/2" at 8 feet. I'd think you have a real chance of damaging your pool with a pistol cartridge.

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    Jokes aside, do you live in the city limits? If you do, you should find out if your city or town has an ordinance prohibiting discharge of firearms within city limits.

    Even with state pre-emption laws in place (I'm assuming Texas has one), municipalities generally retain the right to regulate the discharge of firearms.


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    Since you say expanded bullet I'll assume you mean JHP. At the gunshop we fill a 5 gallon bucket with packed newspaper and a few drops of soap and fill it with water. When it all soaks in, fill it again until you are sure it's saturated. It will contain all but the most powerful JHPs (think .454, .460, and .50AE class) in a neat, easy to recover package. If you need to test something bigger, you can stack two buckets. Some FMJ will make it close to the bottom and occasionally a round that fragments will let a small piece exit the side of the bucket, so it's only safe to do where a worst-case bullet will do no damage exiting. I think it's a safer and cleaner option than the pool.

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    I live in the country, I shoot right out my back door frequently.

    I really cannot believe the 8 foot depth, if that were the case it would take more than 8 milk jugs in the above ground testing.

    We don't drink the pool water, so lead poisoning is not a concern.

    I would like to see the expansion on several different rounds. I planned on shooting 9mm if I decided to try this test. I even was thinking about placing an underwater video to capture the underwater portion.

    Thanks for the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
    .................I really cannot believe the 8 foot depth, if that were the case it would take more than 8 milk jugs in the above ground testing.................
    I tried like heck to find the actual video of the episode on the net but couldn't find it. I will say this -- you can believe the 8' depth. I watched the episode when it aired. They built a large acrylic tank about 10' tall. You could see through the sides of the tank and see the depth of the gelatin block. They started out shooting the 9mm and the results in the article I originally quoted were exactly as the episode aired. The second gun they tried was a 12 ga. shotgun with slugs and it the first shot's concussion blew the tank apart. That's when they moved to the swimming pool to test the rifles. I can't tell you why you don't have to line up 8 water jugs but I know what I saw with my own eyes (unless Myth Busters is all fake).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvhoss View Post
    I tried like heck to find the actual video of the episode on the net but couldn't find it. I will say this -- you can believe the 8' depth. I watched the episode when it aired. They built a large acrylic tank about 10' tall. You could see through the sides of the tank and see the depth of the gelatin block. They started out shooting the 9mm and the results in the article I originally quoted were exactly as the episode aired. The second gun they tried was a 12 ga. shotgun with slugs and it the first shot's concussion blew the tank apart. That's when they moved to the swimming pool to test the rifles. I can't tell you why you don't have to line up 8 water jugs but I know what I saw with my own eyes (unless Myth Busters is all fake).

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    Thanks Hoss, I will be sure and shoot at an angle so that I have 12 feet or more at least until I verify where the bullet loses its energy. I wonder if blowing apart the jugs absorbs more energy than just traveling through the water. Below is the Mythbusters link, and a 30 degree angle reduces the distance to 3 feet ?? Now I am curious why the angle makes that much difference. Bouyancy affects (negative) wouldn't be that significant it doesn't seem. I am sure this testing was w/ FMJ and not HP ammo.

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