Magsafe Ammo

[Coach]

Has anyone had any experience with or heard of any actual results in a real life situation with Magsafe ammo? I don't mean the goat tests. It would only be used in a revolver, so cycling the action is not an issue. Thank you.

[DefensiveCarry.com]

[Bruces45]

First off, Welcome to the forums. I haven't had any experiences with that ammo, but maybe someone will chime in who has.

[P95Carry]

Welcome Coach

Same here I am afraid - known of it for ages but never tested. Guess I am too content with my Gold Dots!

[ExSoldier]

I only carry MagSafe or Glaser Silver or RBCD ammo in my ready to fire mag. Backups are usually Federal Hydra-Shok 185gr. I live in south Florida, so it's not much of an issue for me. If I were in the frozen north I probably would stick to the Hydra-Shoks or other more conventional loads until the summer months.

[FLM]

http://www.firearmstactical.com/tact...article432.htm

[ExSoldier]

http://www.firearmstactical.com/tact...article432.htm

Yeah, I have seen this article before and similar data. I carry MagSafe in the primary mags here in South Florida not because they are devastating in "meat" but rather because I live in a fairly high density urban area and the places where I'm likely to have to shoot will have innocent folks in the area. Although I would not shoot with them in my line of fire, there is a very real danger of at least one miss and I worry more about the richochet of an errant round thru an innocent bystander or thru an object like a door than I do the direct miss or the rare T-N-T or Thru-N-Thru gunshot that strikes an innocent bystander directly behind the BG I've just incapacitated. It's moral and legal CYA. If the action continues past the time I'm able to reach solid cover, I'll swap mags (as I would anyway to top off) so I can choose my shots with more precision and a higher degree of confidence.

Besides, this article pretty well stipulates that the presence of an interfering object is what causes the reduction in performance. Well, sure. In a hunting situation, a stray branch in the line of flight for a hunting load can do the same thing. Same for a 5.56mm or even a 9mm when they strike an arm. I'm comfortable with my choices and decisions.

[FLM]

There's a reason that the FBI stipulated that their ammunition had to penetrate at least 12 inches. Good ammo like Ranger T and Gold Dots will penetrate an arm and still reach a vital area. However it's your life and your decision.

[KC135]

Been involved in a limited amount of testing of Mag Safe and Glaser ammo. I do not carry either.

That is not to say neither have a place, strictly my feelings.

As far as I know, there have been no documented shootings with Mag Safe.
Several with glaser, with varying degrees of sucess.

IMO, just finding out where your gun will shoot with this high priced ammo, will be costly. I would rather spend the money on practice ammo, and learning how to hit what I am aiming at :))

[Patmarc45]

I carry MagSafe in my snubbie and is the first one up the spout in my autos. If the first hit is a good one I believe the MagSafe will do the trick. If not, well, I guess I will have to continue to shoot.

[OD*]

Ex,

Have you seen this about RBCD ammo?
http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/bullets/

[P95Carry]

Interesting article OD.

[KC135]

RBCD---Another magic make believe.

Sure is funny, no documentation from any independent ammo testers.

Lots of hype--most of which has died away.

[OD*]

I would love to see some independent lab testing myself.

[ExSoldier]

Ex,

Have you seen this about RBCD ammo?
http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/bullets/

This is great, THANKS! I just posted this over on my IDPA club's site. Had a great match today, too. Last match of 2005.

[ExSoldier]

RBCD---Another magic make believe.

Sure is funny, no documentation from any independent ammo testers.

Lots of hype--most of which has died away.

I dunno, KC. I first heard about RBCD three years ago in a casual conversation with a friend of mine. He's a SPecOps full colonel and is now posted to the Pentagon. He's a stand up guy with lots of experience in the "real world" as opposed to his current job which he laughingly refers to as "eschelons above reality."

I asked him what ammo he liked best in a handgun and he said RBCD and added it's non-reg "bet your bars" stuff, but if he was ONE SHOT away from THE END, he'd go with RBCD hands down. I never heard of the stuff. Far more expensive than either MagSafe or Glaser. Something like $50 for a box of 20rds. That's retail. You can sometimes find them at gunshows for about half that. "Bet-Your-Bars" is usually applied to Lieutenants and refers to something done outside of regulations that most ALL good officers do, but which will bring the wrath of the Division Commander down upon you if you're so unlucky to get caught. Stuff like squirreling away platoon training ammo for a rainy day....or using nonreg munitions in combat.