This is a discussion on The good old wadcutter within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Erich's post on his new snub got to me to thinking on this - as he mentioned 148 Rainier WC handloads. I have never really ...
Erich's post on his new snub got to me to thinking on this - as he mentioned 148 Rainier WC handloads.
I have never really put this to the test but I seem to recall that good old fashioned LWC's were highly effective ''bruisers''. More so maybe if loaded reversed, such that a hollow base was actually the leading surface.
Any thoughts? I know we tend to stay with factory loads but - can anyone remember any historic data for WC's. I doubt they are too ''BG friendly"
Chris - P95
NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member.
"To own a gun and assume that you are armed
is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!."
http://www.rkba-2a.com/ - a portal for 2A links, articles and some videos.
Array
Had a Cop tell me once the best round and most imprssive damage ive ever seen was from a 158 Hollow base wad cutter reversed 2 from a 38 snub was more than enough ..
Ya know ive never loaded a wadcutter but been thinking on it just for target and maybe the HBWC for use in my 2 inch snub
Biggest downside Bud IMO is - they make for absolute crap speedloads!! Even with my Safariland Comp I or Comp II. Nothing really to guide them in.
Back in my old days of compo shooting I loaded WC's proud - meaning not crimped over top - had about 1/8" showing - still tho a total PITA for a speedload.
Maybe tho a coupla well placed shots would avoid the speedload anyways!
Chris - P95
NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member.
"To own a gun and assume that you are armed
is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!."
http://www.rkba-2a.com/ - a portal for 2A links, articles and some videos.
Array
ya buy that 8 shot smith and should have to reload rember avg shots fired is only like 6.5
Array
http://www.safestop.net/bullets.html
Fuzzy makes the best WC type rounds for the 38spl IMO.
I have found the HBWC loaded backwards to be unreliable proformer,they have limited penetration they tend to keyhole/tumble,etc...BAD carry LOAD IMO!
I think the old scorpion hydrashock HBWC type design was OK but it still had problems also.
I always liked the old WC type design of the omnishock(spinning blades of death)
Last edited by ann; December 20th, 2005 at 01:03 PM.
I agree. The backwards WC is an interesting concept, but since it wasn't originally designed to be used that way, it just doesn't work.I have found the HBWC loaded backwards to be unreliable proformer,they have limited penetration they tend to keyhole/tumble,etc...BAD carry LOAD IMO!
Here's a previous thread on this topic:
http://www.combatcarry.com/vbulletin...ead.php?t=2852
When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
And go to your God like a soldier.
Rudyard Kipling
Terry
Thx for link Crunch - had quite forgotten that.
BTW - other day watched an interesting thing on History Channel - the ''real'' Captain Crunch - the ex CIA guy who had to find out who bombed the Embassy in Beirut - quite an operator it seems he was, tho after the event they screwed him royally.
Chris - P95
NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member.
"To own a gun and assume that you are armed
is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!."
http://www.rkba-2a.com/ - a portal for 2A links, articles and some videos.
Array
Saw that a few days ago. That reminds me, I should carry a BIGGER A.S.P.! Is that the special where someone mentioned that C.I.A really stands for Cover.Your.A$$.BTW - other day watched an interesting thing on History Channel - the ''real'' Captain Crunch - the ex CIA guy who had to find out who bombed the Embassy in Beirut - quite an operator it seems he was, tho after the event they screwed him royally.
I have 100 rds of Chicago load ammo, wish I could use these bad boys at work. Ive read that they don't get the best performance out of a snubby.
Wasn't there, didn't do it.BTW - other day watched an interesting thing on History Channel - the ''real'' Captain Crunch - the ex CIA guy who had to find out who bombed the Embassy in Beirut - quite an operator it seems he was, tho after the event they screwed him royally.
When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
And go to your God like a soldier.
Rudyard Kipling
Terry
Array
Oh yeah Classified, I understand.
Sure,... That’s what they told you to say
Array
I still cary th 148 gr HBWC reversed in my S&W 60. I load it up with 8.5 Gr of PB powder, and put a good crimp on the casing They shoot really well, and lave a nice clean round hole in the target. If they tumble, well then more leakage for the BG in my eyes.
Why Waltz when you can Rock-N-Roll
I'll stick with the old FBI load.
"The pistol, learn it well, carry it always ..." ~ Jeff Cooper
"Dilgentia Vis Celeritas"
Array
IMO Tumbling to the target is bad.
The old hydra HBW was an interesting design but was not that great.
The omnishock wadcutter design was a killer round,it was a cutting,expanding wadcutterdesign.
I will stick with the 135gr gold dot,FBI Load,or Fuzzys cup faced wadcutters.
Array
Im qualified on a .38 special and am seriously considering the semi-wadcutter in 158 grain from Magtech. I've shot some of their other stuff and they are in the "buy again" category, along with Winchester and Blazer.
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