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    Question 5.56 "Frangibles"

    Hi All,

    I'm not asking if you think standard FMJ 5.56 will "over penetrate" or not - that's not the focus here, so please don't say "you're stupid for not using regular"

    My question is, IF I were to use frangible 5.56 rounds does anyone have information on their stopping power? When I'm up in northern Florida and have 10 acres to work with I'll be using standard, but when I'm in Tampa in my apartment I'm at least considering the frangibles.

    This is a standard Colt AR-15 carbine.

    Thanks in advance for any information you may have,
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    The thing you need to remember is that stopping power is a myth. When selecting a round for self defense, select on that penetrates enough to score a good CNS hit to put the target down ASAP. I would look for a 5.56 round that penetrates at least 12" of ballistic gelatin.
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    "Frangible" 5.56N and .223 Rem ammo is typically designed for shooting steel. I don't believe it's ever been shown to be effective for self-defense (meaning its terminal performance has never been proven). Most 5.56N or .223 ammo will fragment; that's inherent in the round's strike characteristics and why it tends to go through less non-person material than handgun rounds will. Some will fragment better, which is why various types of JHP and OTM bullets are becoming more popular for personal-defense use, as they'll fragment along the cannelure more consistently than FMJ bullets.


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    Load up with 55 grn fmj, preferably Federal XM193 or the equivalent for general purpose use. It will yaw and fragment at velocities above about 2300 FPS, or out to about 200yds

    For home defense/tactical use, Hornady sells "TAP" that is basically a ballistic tip bullet for varmints and WILL fragment and generally won't blow through walls, it's comparatively expensive but one mag full should be enough.

    I'd go with the Hornady over the frangible stuff. The frangible stuff might work great but as mentioned it's not been tested to any great degree in gelatin or other 'simulation" media.

    PS "Stopping power" is a completely different ball game when you are talking rifle rounds vs handgun rounds. It's no myth.
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    We use TAP for our patrol rifles as well as the SWAT M4's. It works well.
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    That TAP did'nt do so great on a shootout here a few years ago. It involved a vehicle where the perp was taking cover .None of the stuff got though.The guy kept shooting and eventually bailed, when he was dropped by a shot through the hip which he survived.

    The ASP Officer that shot him is now using a .DPMS .308 because of that incident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    That TAP did'nt do so great on a shootout here a few years ago. It involved a vehicle where the perp was taking cover .None of the stuff got though.The guy kept shooting and eventually bailed, when he was dropped by a shot through the hip which he survived.

    The ASP Officer that shot him is now using a .DPMS .308 because of that incident.
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    Yep.
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    Frangible rounds are for target practice, as they explode into powder when impacting steel. You should not use them for SD.
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    Thanks for all the input, I'm going to look into the TAPs and will pick up a few boxes of those. I have 8 magazines, but I'll just load up one of the 30 rounders for the bedroom.

    Thanks again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    That TAP did'nt do so great on a shootout here a few years ago. It involved a vehicle where the perp was taking cover .None of the stuff got though.The guy kept shooting and eventually bailed, when he was dropped by a shot through the hip which he survived.

    The ASP Officer that shot him is now using a .DPMS .308 because of that incident.
    I don't think the OP is gonna be in a shootout with a guy in a car, he said he did not want to overpenetrate his apartment buidling.

    LEOs have different requirements. (I hope)

    I do agree with bringing enough gun however.
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    Yes, car shootouts are't a problem, but I DO want something that ill penetrate ENOUGH. Thanks for all the info guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    We use TAP for our patrol rifles as well as the SWAT M4's. It works well.
    I have some of those in the magazine for the house rifle as well.

    SIXTO, what flavour of TAP .223 do you all use?
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    I have TAP loaded for home defense as well - but it sure isn't the "ballistic tip" varmint bullet type. Its the 75 grain BTHP - best terminal performance available in .223 Remington or 5.56mm NATO.

    A good choice for shooting cars if you're stuck with a .223/5.56 would be the Federal 62 grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claw.

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