Emailing a letter to Federal about HST

Emailing a letter to Federal about HST

This is a discussion on Emailing a letter to Federal about HST within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I went to Federal's site tonight to send them an email through their "Contact" link. Until sometime today they are not accepting email due to ...

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 20

Thread: Emailing a letter to Federal about HST

  1. #1
    Distinguished Member Array Tally XD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Tallahassee, FL
    Posts
    1,830

    Emailing a letter to Federal about HST

    I went to Federal's site tonight to send them an email through their "Contact" link. Until sometime today they are not accepting email due to the holiday.

    I am going to keep checking until they do start accepting email again and I am going to inquire about the rumor surrounding the public availability of their Tactical HST ammo line.

    I want to know directly from Federal if their plan is to keep HST from the public and, if so, why they would move to do that.

    My email will also contain the message that I will no longer buy any product made or sold through Federal if this is their actual intent.

    I am hoping that enough people interested in this issue will do the same. Lets group together and let Federal know what we think about this and we don't want this fine ammunition to be kept from us or given to us in "watered down" Personal Defense offerings.

    We want the best. We have every right to the same ammunition as Law Enforcement (as someone else stated in the other HST post)
    I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry.
    - Barack Obama Chicago Tribune, April 27, 2004


  2. #2
    Member Array Double Naught Spy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    463
    We have every right to the same ammunition as Law Enforcement (as someone else stated in the other HST post)
    And Federal has the right not sell to the general public if they so desire.

    With that said, I want some too.
    Considering yourself to be defenseless is the first administrative step to becoming a victim.

  3. #3
    Senior Member Array PaulJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    616
    Is there any stated reason why they don't sell? HST is good ammunition. But why is it considered more dangerous then other Federal self defense products? E.g. the "Hydra Shok" series appears to be quite similar, but it has the little "pin" at the center of the hollow point.

    Is it the fact that HST is less then half the prices of Hydra-Shock?
    I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. (Thomas Jefferson)

  4. #4
    Member Array bonehead's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    CA
    Posts
    474
    I'll be more than willing to join this crusade if this in fact will be Federal's policy. However, this is all nothing but hearsay at the moment. All second hand information. Curious to hear your response from Federal first.
    HK45c V1

  5. #5
    AEA
    AEA is offline
    Member Array AEA's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    North Texas
    Posts
    159
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulJ View Post
    Is it the fact that HST is less then half the prices of Hydra-Shock?
    No, it is not a fact. It is totally incorrect.

    Yes, HST is available to the Public:

    HOLLOW POINT Ammo : Ammunition To Go

  6. #6
    VIP Member Array cvhoss's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Kansas
    Posts
    2,046
    Quote Originally Posted by AEA View Post
    No, it is not a fact. It is totally incorrect.

    Yes, HST is available to the Public:

    HOLLOW POINT Ammo : Ammunition To Go
    But, from the very link you posted:
    Typically this ammo is only available to law enforcement and military agencies through Federal, that is a Federal rule, not a law. We got this ammo, because we ordered it for a police department and they cancelled the order, so we can now sell it to anyone.
    This seems to indicate that it is a fact.

    Hoss
    Sig 239 SAS 40 S&W / Sig 239 9mm / Kahr PM-9 / Walther PPS .40 / Sig P-245 / Ruger LCP
    Beretta Tomcat / Walther PPK / BDA 380 / Taurus 85 / Kel-Tec PF-9 / Am. Derringer 357

    NRA Life Member
    My Web Site

  7. #7
    Ex Member Array Ram Rod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Fayetteville, AR
    Posts
    13,687
    I have several boxes of the Tactical Truball rifled slugs for the 12ga and I bought locally. Have not seen the HST on shelves yet, but suspect I might in the future. Federal may have a company wide policy on the sales of law enforcement ammo, but if they don't, I'd figure it up to local or area dealers. I might suggest contacting one of those first, and you can find your area dealer by the pull down menu at the top right corner of this page: LE - Pistol
    Going through some of the selections here, their Tactical EFMJ sounds very interesting! LE - Tactical EFMJ
    Seems that most 'law enforcement' ammunition does get to the civilian market sooner or later....just look at Hornady's TAP, and the Winchester Ranger lines.
    As far as this statement: "We have every right to the same ammunition as Law Enforcement", I'll just ride the fence for now while leaving some with this notion.............law enforcement seems to have more of a need for the tactical applications while you and I (regular citizens) may be more concerned with tactical security and take comfort in knowing we have what is supposedly the best available on the market. I do figure that if the law enforcement ammo (specifically designated) were in limited supply, then it should go to LE first and at discounted pricing from the manufacturer. Then to the highest bidder once supply is over demand. In stating this, I'm not looking for an argument. That's just my opinion.

  8. #8
    AEA
    AEA is offline
    Member Array AEA's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    North Texas
    Posts
    159
    Quote Originally Posted by cvhoss View Post
    But, from the very link you posted:

    This seems to indicate that it is a fact.

    Hoss
    No, it indicates a Marketing Policy.

    Quote Originally Posted by AEA
    No, it is not a fact. It is totally incorrect.
    And the FACT (incorrect) that I was referring to was that the ammo is not 1/2 the price of Hydra-Shok.

  9. #9
    Senior Member Array PaulJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    616
    I am kind of with Ram Rod on this one. I can see an ammunition designated as "LE only", if for example it is just not suited for home defense use. For example ammunition that requires special training to be used effectively. However, I don't think this is the case for HST. For Federal, it would be nice to post a reason why they only sell it to LE. Is it in short supply and they would rather fulfill LE orders first? That would be reasonable. Maybe as they ramp up production on it, they will allow civilian sales?

    But as Federal is quiet on the reason, it almost looks like a marketing ploy. Label the ammunition as LE only, to make it "look more dangerous" ?
    I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. (Thomas Jefferson)

  10. #10
    VIP Member Array cvhoss's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Kansas
    Posts
    2,046
    Quote Originally Posted by AEA View Post
    No, it indicates a Marketing Policy.............
    And the fact that I was referring to was that it IS a Federal Ammunition Company policy, at least as indicated on the linked web site. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

    Hoss
    Sig 239 SAS 40 S&W / Sig 239 9mm / Kahr PM-9 / Walther PPS .40 / Sig P-245 / Ruger LCP
    Beretta Tomcat / Walther PPK / BDA 380 / Taurus 85 / Kel-Tec PF-9 / Am. Derringer 357

    NRA Life Member
    My Web Site

  11. #11
    AEA
    AEA is offline
    Member Array AEA's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    North Texas
    Posts
    159
    No problem cvhoss........

    Bottom line in this thread as far as I am concerned is that the HST ammo is available to the Public, but, it is not less than 1/2 the price of Hydra-Shok.

  12. #12
    VIP Member Array raevan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    washington
    Posts
    4,849
    HST also available here at Tactical Defence Solutions.

    Tactical Defense Solutions LLC - Federal Tactical LEO

  13. #13
    Member Array PaulBk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Washington State
    Posts
    221
    I have been following the HST line almost since its inception. Originally marketed as a low cost alternative to existing 'premium' rounds, it has vacillated between 'LEO-only' and 'available to all' depending on the source and location for at least the last four years.

    I bought my first box of 9mm HST (50 rds) off the shelf at a local pawn shop for $12/box in 2003. Within a couple of months most local gun shops had it for $13-15/box. Supply shrank and prices increased over the next couple of years, with priority going to LEO's. Still available via the internet, though more expensive.

    Federal will get what they can and HST is a hot item right now. I know that the King County Sheriffs are buying it by the truck load and suspect that other depts are also. I am betting that Federal will always continue to sell overstock HST to non LEOs.

    -Paul
    Hero's aren't born, they're cornered - According to Jim

  14. #14
    VIP Member Array cvhoss's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Kansas
    Posts
    2,046
    From several of the posts here, it appears there may be a bit of confusion. I don't believe the question is whether HST ammo is available to the public or not as we can all agree that there are multiple sources where we can buy HST ammunition. I believe the question is whether Federal Ammunition has a policy that restricts the sale of that ammunition to LE only. That such a policy does exist is, I believe, backed up by the fact that I can find no mention anywhere on Federal's web site of HST. You have to do some digging to come up with Federal is a wholly owned subsidiary of ATK and by doing a search for them, you come up with the ATK Law Enforcement home page with info on Federal HST ammo along with Speer Law Enforcement ammo.

    As I see it, it boils down to one of two things. Federal feels that the HST ammunition is special enough that we as civilians can't be trusted with it. OR, (and I find this more likely) through a policy of it being LE only, it becomes taboo and we all know that anything someone tells us we can't have just makes us want it more. Sounds like a pretty good marketing plan to me.

    Hoss
    Sig 239 SAS 40 S&W / Sig 239 9mm / Kahr PM-9 / Walther PPS .40 / Sig P-245 / Ruger LCP
    Beretta Tomcat / Walther PPK / BDA 380 / Taurus 85 / Kel-Tec PF-9 / Am. Derringer 357

    NRA Life Member
    My Web Site

  15. #15
    Distinguished Member Array Tally XD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Tallahassee, FL
    Posts
    1,830
    Quote Originally Posted by cvhoss View Post
    From several of the posts here, it appears there may be a bit of confusion. I don't believe the question is whether HST ammo is available to the public or not as we can all agree that there are multiple sources where we can buy HST ammunition. I believe the question is whether Federal Ammunition has a policy that restricts the sale of that ammunition to LE only. That such a policy does exist is, I believe, backed up by the fact that I can find no mention anywhere on Federal's web site of HST.

    Hoss
    Glad you saw this! This is almost exactly the intent of my post.

    I know HST is "available" to the public. I have some. I ordered more last week. My concern is over a post I read by another user who said their company (a retailer) received a memo from Federal that HST is "no longer to be sold to public" and if they did not conform their HST supplies would be shut off.

    I am not concerned for today, I am concerned for tomorrow. If Federal does indeed have plans to keep this ammo from the public I want to know directly from Federal. I dont want hearsay.

    And, if this rumor is confirmed by Federal, I will no longer buy any product sold by or associated with Federal.
    I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry.
    - Barack Obama Chicago Tribune, April 27, 2004

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Sponsored Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. FEDERAL TACTICAL BONDED 9mm. OR FEDERAL HST
    By The Fish in forum Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: July 24th, 2012, 03:02 PM
  2. Emailing your senator to oppose Kagan confirmation
    By nikdfish in forum The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: July 10th, 2010, 10:24 PM
  3. Recieved a letter from Federal Senator
    By *SA-XD4ME* in forum The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion
    Replies: 19
    Last Post: February 14th, 2008, 04:49 AM
  4. Federal EFMJ & Federal HST
    By TonySoprano in forum Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: May 19th, 2005, 10:16 AM
  5. Before Posting or Emailing Me a Problem
    By Administrator in forum Forum News, Feedback, Problems & Comments
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: January 22nd, 2005, 01:21 AM

Search tags for this page

ammunition to go discount code

,
can civilians buy hst's?
,

do they sell tactical hst to the public

,

federal hst for pf9

,
federal hst no longer made
,
federal hst pf9
,

hst ammo no longer made

,

lake wobegon hst

,

tactical defense solutions promo code

,
when will federal sell hst to the general public
,

when will federal sell hst to the public

,

will federal sell hst to the public

Click on a term to search for related topics.