Maybe 40S&W Ain't For Me.
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July 23rd, 2006 07:40 PM
i added a g 23 to my collection 4 months ago i don't realize any more kick than a taurus millenium .45acp i can unload magazine in com 25 feet away no problem i love it
November 14th, 2006 02:00 AM
I shot a 92D and a 96D side by side with Speer GD. I noticed more muzzle flash and recoil w/40. Shot them both in the dark w/out ear muffs (don't try this at home) and felt more loss of hearing and night vision f/40. Sold the 40's,kept the 9's. Same comparison w/9 and 45acp;keeping 45's putting 9mm's up for sale/trade for more 45's.
November 14th, 2006 09:19 AM
My HK USP 45 has less kick than my Sig2340 if that helps.
Originally Posted by ExSoldier
November 14th, 2006 07:41 PM
Before you give up on the .40 S&W, try changing the grips and the recoil spring. The latter will affect the felt recoil. My .40 is a compact EAA Witness steel. It's a bit heavy for a cheap holster, but with a JBP it works great! Another option for a few more dollars is available at activeprogear.com (no financial interest). The ITP line is well concealed, comfortable and you can draw easily when needed.
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November 14th, 2006 09:17 PM
I recently purchased the .40 Beretta 96FS. Up to that point I have been shooting my S&W .357 with Rems 125g SJHP, so in comparison, the .40 isn't so bad. Of course, I think I have developed Popeye forearms from both of them! :-)
November 15th, 2006 12:15 AM
My Walther P99QA .40 (full size) has less perceived recoil than my Kel Tec P3ATs .380 to me. It is fun & accurate to shoot but a little too big for me to consistently and comfortably CCW. I shot both today side by side the .40 is more comfortable to shoot.
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November 15th, 2006 12:32 AM
I'd settle for someone explaining what factors would make the .40 recoil "snappier" than cartridges that are known to produce more power (i.e. ft/lbs energy out the muzzle, with heavier bullets).
Originally Posted by Tangle
I don't know nearly squat about ballistics. I'm trying to understand what would push the pistol back harder and/or faster with a .40 than with a 10mm or a .45. Would it be more of a function of the gun itself? (We're talking a lot about polymer techno-whiz guns when we talk about .40 these days.)
If someone loaded a 1911 with some sort of .40 conversion kit, are we all saying, here, that the recoil/muzzle flip would worsen (to whatever degree)? If so, why?
November 15th, 2006 03:49 AM
The .40 S&W is a high pressure high energy round. It doesn't come close to a full house 10mm in terms of energy, but it does have more ft/lbs of energy than most .45 acp loads (at least standard pressure loads). A standard .45acp from a 5'' barrel is 230 grains at 850 fps is about 370 ft/lbs. A standard .40 s&w from a 4'' barrel is 180 grains at 990 fps for 390 ft/lbs of energy. So for me the .40 is no slouch as far as sheer energy is concerned especially if you're dealing with shorter barreled guns.
Originally Posted by peacefuljeffrey
November 15th, 2006 07:30 AM
The gun is part of it also Peak pressure and time it take the cartridge to reach peak pressure effects felt recoil
See a 45 is a low pressure round and has a nice soft pressure curve
where as the 40 spikes reallll fast and is a high pressure round
While my g22 now gone did off a lot of muzzle whip and felt recoil
my G20 does not i could shoot handloaded full power rounds [not the light loaded stuff on shelves these days ] Faster and more accurate with the 10mm than i could the 40 yes the g20 is a bigger glock but its still Tupperware
I have had a Sig 229 in 40
Shot a sigma a bunch in 40
shot a Hk in 40 a bit
and all just feel to snappy to both with ill still to old slow and fat 45
Also why use a cartridge that isn't as accurate .. all the gun rags say the 40 isn't ..lol
But if ya like a 40 more power to ya and ya dont have to worry about me buying the ammo out from under ya there just other things that do the job better for my taste and are not a compromise round
November 15th, 2006 07:46 AM
....ditto for me. My P3AT loaded with Corbon 90 grain JHP is very hard to control. Any one of my .40's (including my P99QA) is easier to control as well compared to my Taurus 905CH 9mm revolver, even firing standard velocity 9mm!
Originally Posted by Kankujoe
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November 17th, 2006 11:27 AM
The first time I shot .40 S&W was right after shooting .44 mag out of a S&W model 29... So for me, I didn't really have a problem getting used to the .40, in fact I ran quite a bit or .40 through a G22 that was handed to me at the dueling tree. It kind of got me thinking I should have picked up a 4006 instead of my 5906.
I'm impartial I guess.
November 25th, 2006 03:53 AM
My only comment would be that when you say you find the muzzle whip way out of proportion to what the cartridge can do, I'm puzzled as to what you mean. The .40 can do a heck of a lot as thousands of law enforcement agencies and a lot of civilians have found out. I guess I'm prejudiced; I've got 6 .40s.
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