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This is a discussion on 9mm Carry load within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by farronwolf That is what I use. Speer GDHP +P 124 gr in all of my 9mm's. Have worked reliably, and have chronoed ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by farronwolf View Post
    That is what I use. Speer GDHP +P 124 gr in all of my 9mm's. Have worked reliably, and have chronoed at close to what the listed velocity is. Most importantly, they have functioned reliably.
    If you use a compact gun be sure and ask your gun dealer for Speer Gold Dot ammo made for SHORT BARREL guns.

    The box will say..

    9mm LUGER+P 124GR. GDHP
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    I would like to second what BikerRN said about the importance of putting the bullets where they need to be. Next, make sure the round is reliable in your weapon. Then go for the best performing bullet.

    That said, I do think bullet performance is more important in 9mm than .40 or .45. I now finally got two boxes of Federal HST 124gr +p for my Kahr PM9. I think these would be your best bet. IMHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheel View Post
    Guys, if you like HST buy it now while you still can. Federal is ordering retailers to stop selling it to the public. Federal intended it to be LEO only. My local store made the announcement a few months ago.
    How sure are you that this is true? It's still listed as an SD ammo on Federal's website.
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    I was given 125 +P Hydro Shok back in the 90ís when I worked for the Feds, but I know another agency gave their people 147 +P+ Hydro Shok.

    Right now, my Glockís are loaded with Winchester Ranger Tís 127 +P+, and I gave my dad some Corbond 115 +P for Christmas for him to use in his 92 T.

    Long story short; regarding any premium bullet, I really donít think what bullet you use is nearly as critical as shot placement. Load your pistol with the bullet you shot best, and can hit the target with over and over again.

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    Depends on which pistol; the M34 and 92FS seem to like 147grn; I usually have them stoked with either Gold Dots or HydraShok in those weights.

    My P7's usually have 124+P Gold Dots, or 124 TAP/FPD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIG P229 JW View Post
    How sure are you that this is true? It's still listed as an SD ammo on Federal's website.
    I'm very sure, having both read it in numerous forums as well as being told by my local (and well informed) gun shop.

    You say HST is listed on Federal's web page? Where? Perhaps you're mistaking it for Hydrashok? The only place I know of that Federal lists it is here:

    LE - Tactical HST

    Note that it's an LEO web site. I've never seen it listed on their main site.
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    Just had 500rds of 147g 9mm HST delivered to me yesterday from ATG so hopefully I'm good to go for awhile regardless.

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    Thanks for the warm welcome, and the good info.

    Sounds like I am kinds back to square one, any good bullet, placed well will do the trick. Pick the one my gun likes and I shoot well - and shoot it well if needed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheel View Post
    I'm very sure, having both read it in numerous forums as well as being told by my local (and well informed) gun shop.

    You say HST is listed on Federal's web page? Where? Perhaps you're mistaking it for Hydrashok? The only place I know of that Federal lists it is here:

    LE - Tactical HST

    Note that it's an LEO web site. I've never seen it listed on their main site.
    Thanks for clearing that up. I was under the impression that HST was Hydrashok.. My mistake.
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    Federal 115gr 9BPLE +P+

    Not the latest technology but it has a proven street record.

    Also it's somewhat less expensive than premium defensive loads so I can practice with it more often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsonabq View Post
    I now finally got two boxes of Federal HST 124gr +p for my Kahr PM9. I think these would be your best bet. IMHO
    johnsonabq - Check to make sure you know how the 124gr +p will perform. In my testing the the 124gr +p did poorly compared to the 147gr and 147gr +P.

    Looks at all the reports on the HST here:
    LE - Wound Ballistics

    and you will notice that Federal has NEVER put the 124gr into the mix. I believe that has done this because the 124gr, in any pressure load, does not perform nearly as well as the existing rounds (Ranger-T and so on).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cv7713 View Post
    personally, I carry DoubleTap's 9mm +P in 124gr:

    115gr, $31.95/50
    Caliber : 9mm+P

    Bullet : Speer Gold Dot JHP

    Ballistics : 115gr @ 1415fps / 511ft. lbs. from a G17.
    Glock 19 velocity - 1395fps.
    124gr, $31.95/50
    Caliber : 9mm+P

    Bullet : Speer Gold Dot JHP

    Ballistics : 124gr @ 1310fps / 473ft. lbs. from a G17.
    124 @ 1295fps / 462 ft. lbs. from a G19
    147gr, $31.95/50
    Caliber : 9mm+P

    Bullet : Speer Gold Dot JHP

    Ballistics : 147gr @ 1135fps / 421ft. lbs. from a G17.
    Glock 19 velocity - 1120fps.
    Note you have to pay attention to the barrel length used for the tests when comparing performance.

    Also, my understanding is that +P ammunition has a pressure specification that it must fall within, where +P+ does not.

    Further, you'll find a number of firearms mfgs that support +P, but not +P+.

    All in all, I figure the DoubleTap +P 124gr is a good balance of weight and velocity, esp. from a short barreled CCW and it is safe to shoot in my CCW.

    Good luck,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkwater View Post
    Not all 9mm HST rounds are created equal. While the 124gr is produced I had not found it recommend anyplace. I did some testing and found the 124gr did not retain weight while the 147gr performed very well!

    If you can't find 9mm 147gr HST then carry another brand!
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkwater View Post
    johnsonabq - Check to make sure you know how the 124gr +p will perform. In my testing the the 124gr +p did poorly compared to the 147gr and 147gr +P.

    Looks at all the reports on the HST here:
    LE - Wound Ballistics

    and you will notice that Federal has NEVER put the 124gr into the mix. I believe that has done this because the 124gr, in any pressure load, does not perform nearly as well as the existing rounds (Ranger-T and so on).
    I thought that was interesting too. Why wasn't Federal pushing the 124gr +P HST ammo during their workshops? I searched a little more, and found they tested it at the Sacramento County workshop.

    The Sacramento County workshop tested 124gr +P. http://le.atk.com/pdf/SacramentoCountyWBW.pdf

    Bare Gelatin @ 10ft.
    124gr +P pen 11.75" .78" diameter
    147gr pen 13.25" .76" diameter

    Heavy Clothing @ 10ft.
    124gr +P pen 12.50" .66" diameter
    147gr pen 14.00" .66" diameter


    From Aurora PD.
    http://le.atk.com/pdf/AuroraPoliceDpmt.pdf

    Bare Gelatin @ 10ft.
    Speer GDHP 124gr +P pen 13.25" .665" diameter

    Heavy Clothing @ 10ft.
    Speer GDHP 124gr +P pen 14.00" .582" diameter


    The 147gr HST is a better performer than the 124gr +P HST. The GDHP 124gr +P, other than a little less expansion, seems to be equal to the 147gr HST. Interesting find though...the 124gr +P HST had a core seperation when doing the windshield test.

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    My SD round would be Speer Gold Dot in 124 gr...
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    Quote Originally Posted by farronwolf View Post
    That is what I use. Speer GDHP +P 124 gr in all of my 9mm's. Have worked reliably, and have chronoed at close to what the listed velocity is. Most importantly, they have functioned reliably.
    Same as what I use in my 9mms.....I trust them and carried this load ever since I've had a 9mm.

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