22 cal. CCI STINGERS-WHY, FOR WHAT?

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    22 cal. CCI STINGERS-WHY, FOR WHAT?

    After reviewing a lot of info comparing 22 cal. LR. ammo, the high priced Stinger (cci) seems to be the worst performer. The Federal 36 gr. bulk ammo (hollow points-all) penetrates three times deeper and expands more than the Stinger. (50 yrds.) To make a long story short, why would anyone choose the Stinger considering the statistics?

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    Brand name probably. And it may work better cycling some semi automatic .22's. Mine's bolt action, so I shoot for performance. Plinking I just use CCI Blazer.
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    Although all ammo has gone up, .22 is still pretty cheap 'plunking'...

    There's not much I'd shoot with a .22 where I'd worry about penetration...OMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart View Post
    After reviewing a lot of info comparing 22 cal. LR. ammo, the high priced Stinger (cci) seems to be the worst performer. The Federal 36 gr. bulk ammo (hollow points-all) penetrates three times deeper and expands more than the Stinger. (50 yrds.) To make a long story short, why would anyone choose the Stinger considering the statistics?

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    Source? Just wondering, but where did you get this info?? I'd like to see it.

    Did you test it yourself, or read this somewhere?

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    The Stinger has a longer case and a light bullet. More powder in the case plus a lighter bullet means more energy. Energy, if I remember my physics, is the ability to do work like expand, move and damage tissue, and penetrate skin and such. If you are firing it from a rifle it's bad, from a pistol much worse. Placement is more important than ever. If I had to use a .22 for SD, and it has it's uses, I'd load either the Stinger or the similar (but different) Quick Shok Segmented HP. Only because they have the most power of the common .22s.

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    Id use 22lr for sd!
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    Considering that:
    Federal Champion Target Ammunition 22 Long Rifle 36 Grain Plated Lead Hollow Point Box of 525
    Muzzle Velocity: 1260 fps
    Muzzle Energy: 126 ft. lbs.

    CCI Stinger Ammunition 22 Long Rifle 32 Grain Plated Lead Hollow Point
    Muzzle Velocity: 1640 fps
    Muzzle Energy: 191 ft. lbs.
    the Stinger produces 380 fps more and 65 ft.lbs. more than the Federal, I would find at least your quoted penetration statistics a bit hard to buy unless the Stinger bullet fragments on impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtD View Post
    Source? Just wondering, but where did you get this info?? I'd like to see it.

    Did you test it yourself, or read this somewhere?

    Perhaps there is a reason for this that is not a negative. I believe there is.
    Yes, I tested them myself, after I found this source of information. My results were the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    Although all ammo has gone up, .22 is still pretty cheap 'plunking'...

    There's not much I'd shoot with a .22 where I'd worry about penetration...OMO
    When a 22 40gr. round nose will penetrate TWO 3 in. phone books and keep right on going, I'd worry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart View Post
    When a 22 40gr. round nose will penetrate TWO 3 in. phone books and keep right on going, I'd worry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart View Post
    When a 22 40gr. round nose will penetrate TWO 3 in. phone books and keep right on going, I'd worry.
    Huh? About what? It's not like I'm not shooting in my 'neighborhood'...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cvhoss View Post
    Considering that:
    Federal Champion Target Ammunition 22 Long Rifle 36 Grain Plated Lead Hollow Point Box of 525
    Muzzle Velocity: 1260 fps
    Muzzle Energy: 126 ft. lbs.

    CCI Stinger Ammunition 22 Long Rifle 32 Grain Plated Lead Hollow Point
    Muzzle Velocity: 1640 fps
    Muzzle Energy: 191 ft. lbs.
    the Stinger produces 380 fps more and 65 ft.lbs. more than the Federal, I would find at least your quoted penetration statistics a bit hard to buy unless the Stinger bullet fragments on impact.

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    I think this is the crux of the issue. The high velocity light rounds, like most varmit loads, will most likely (as the test bore out) fragment on impact and have less penetration. However they expend all of their energy on target almost immediately, which is why a stinger pulverizes a rabbit's head whereas a cheaper solid or slower hp passes through without really blowing the head apart. Usually with a stinger or expediter the entry side will be like mush and they eye will be popped out of the other side of it's head and hanging way out there from the pressure. This tells me that the stinger has deposited all of it's energy in the animal's head where I wanted it to go. I'm sure that is what it is intended to do. With a regular round, the eye may or may not be bulged out a bit. Does it matter, no. Both are dead.

    For a survival round you would definately want one that holds together, mushrooms and penetrates, becuase you may have to shoot something bigger like a deer or hog. Also, IMO a true .22 "survival" rifle should be a bolt action. Preferably tube fed. It won't jam and you can't lose the mag. (though with many models you can lose the tube rod)But then again. I'm old fashined about these things.

    Very interesting tests and good post.
    Last edited by sgtD; April 4th, 2009 at 07:56 PM.
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