Extreme Shok Anti-Terrorist Ammo....Truth or Hype?

This is a discussion on Extreme Shok Anti-Terrorist Ammo....Truth or Hype? within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by soflasmg One look at the website and it looks like Brokeback Mountain for the tactical set. A whole new take on, "getting ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by soflasmg
    One look at the website and it looks like Brokeback Mountain for the tactical set.
    A whole new take on, "getting on the stack..." Smiling Willies And Trudies?

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    Then again... (from another board having the same preponderance of the evidence, so to speak.)

    [i]"Extreme Shock's reply(from the president himself):

    That's no problem. I read the boards from time to time and get a
    chuckle out of what they say, I can tell that most all the critics have
    never tried the ammo. But first off users are
    Warrenton Training Center
    Dutch Air Marshals
    Dutch Military and Spec Forces
    CSX Railroad CTT
    Miami Dade
    Miami Dade Int Airport
    UAE Counter Terrorist Team
    Springfield Mo tact team and police force, these are the ones that
    stick out in my mind
    12-million rounds 5.56 12 million rounds 9-mm to overseas allies
    Just sold 9 million bullets to another ammo company to be delivered
    over a 2 year period,
    We will be supplying Ruag of Germany bullets in 308 & 7mm for their
    premium hunting round, small amount of only 4 million or so.
    Being adopted by
    Scotsdale AZ police dept.
    FBI
    Being tested by Abui Dabhi, French, German Spec Forces.
    we were picked up by RSR, Sports South, ArmChar, Elliott Bros at the
    shot show this year.

    It is a powder metal bullet with greater penetration than lead ever
    thought about because the core is made out of tungsten powder metal
    enclosed in a copper jacket. It is designed to fragment into millions
    of pieces of powder metal dust once inside the soft target. It has the
    ability to penetrate through thick hide, bone and get into the fluid
    area which is what makes a bullet either fragment or expand if it is a
    lead bullet. When it fragments, it causes so much damage that it shocks
    the central nervous system and shuts it down from overload. Where as a
    lead bullet has to have penetration to get to the organs and hopefully
    then, maybe if the shot is well placed, do some or enough damage to
    stop the guy. We are able to do it through massive damage and shock,
    much faster than a lead bullet can. So for us shot placement is not as
    critical as with a lead bullet.

    We use 10 % gel to get a base line as to what a bullet will do, but
    before we sign off on it, we go into the field and kill several hogs
    and deer, wild dogs, etc. open them up and see the results. when I hear
    a guy say that he shot it into wet phone books, I laugh or the lab that
    says we shot it into gel and only got 7 in of penetration so we can't
    recommend this as a self defense round I roll my eyes back in my head
    and laugh in disgust. My response to that group is yes, but did you get
    your hands bloody. Their answer is always we can't go hunting everytime
    we want to test a bullet. We have to have a standard. Which is ok for a
    starting point especially for a lead bullet cause with lead it always
    has to do with penetration. But for our bullet it CAN NOT tell you what
    the final result will be unless you kill game. For this stance we have
    been criticized of being inhumane. But quite frankly I don't really
    care what it does in wet phone books or gel blocks setting on a bench.
    What I want to know is what is it going to do to a 400 lb mad fighting
    boar. Now if it takes him down with one shot of a sub caliber pistol
    then I will know what it will do in a 250 lb attacker.
    If you have any more questions please feel free to give me a call.
    jm
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    Yep, TOM,,, suffered a few head blows spelling is bad..

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    I would think that (regardless of my personnal predispositions) there is application for this ammunition and that is exactly why many departments and agencies are using it. Read: APPLICATION

    This does not however mean that it is a particularly good choice for my application, ....or yours.

    Within the confines of it's best intended use....it may well be hard to beat.....and if you look at some of the listed users of this round, it should become partly or somewhat clear why they use it.

    But again, judge for yourself what is best for your own application, and certainly don't be afraid to do copious quantities or research to determine what may or may not work best for you......as mileage certainly may vary, according to your needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soflasmg
    One look at the website and it looks like Brokeback Mountain for the tactical set.

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    Seems like the whole controversy could be put to rest pretty easily... just fly over and try their ammo out on some real terrorists...

    "I surrounded 'em"- Alvin York

    "They're ain't many troubles that a man can't fix with seven hundred dollars and a thirty ought six"- Jeff Cooper

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    I would never want to get shot with one, but I think these rounds are complete hype.
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    i gotta go with hype too. i can take a wild boar with a ruger mark II( and i don't mean in a pen either ).


    i did that from a deer blind, and after saying that i would like to add that if these guys really went into the woods looking for 505# boars with only a 9mm they are either completely fearless and confident in their abilities or they are complete idiots. Personally you wouldn't catch me with anything less than a .270 and a .45acp when out looking for hogs.
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    I'm very skeptical of any outrageous claims made by ammo companies. There is no magic bullet, just good shot placement!
    Why Ike, whatever do you mean? Maybe poker's just not your game Ike. I know! Let's have a spelling contest!

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