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124+P vs. 147 vs. 147+P HST

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Thread: 124+P vs. 147 vs. 147+P HST

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    If you don't account for the advances in technology then why carry hollow points in 9mm at all. Once upon a time they were quite all ineffective in general. But not now. The technology has advanced "Leaps and Bounds" since then. I only even continue this discussion because I feel your choice of ammo is more important in 9mm than say .45. Of course this is all secondary to the ability to put your shots where they need to be. Hell... if you can place your shots COM every time... well then use what you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by automatic slim View Post
    I just read an article entitled "Ammunition for the self defense firearm". In it the author discusses loads for the various calibers. Regarding 9mm, he states 147gr. bullets are "weak, worthless and malfunction prone", and to "never" use 147gr. ammunition. He regards this as nothing more than a "fad". He considers the best 9mm load to be the Cor-Bon 115 gr. +P with a muzzle velocity in excess of 1475 fps. He also specifically refers to penetrating heavy clothing. Google the title and it will give you a link to the article.
    Would this be a Massad Ayoob article? Also, what's the date on it?

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    There's nothing wrong with 124s or 147s. Modern hollow point bullet design allows both bullet weights to perform well. Either one will do the job quite nicely as long as you do yours.

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    Welcome to 2012, these aren't your Dad's era 9MM

    Best Choices for Self Defense Ammo


    Barnes XPB 115gr HP (35515) loaded by Cor-Bon (DPX09115)

    Winchester Partition Gold 124gr JHP (RA91P)

    Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)

    Winchester Ranger-T 127gr JHP +P+ (RA9TA)

    Winchester Ranger-T 147gr JHP (RA9T)

    Winchester Bonded 147gr JHP (RA9B/Q4364)

    Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP +P (53617)

    Speer Gold Dot 147gr JHP (53619)

    Remington Golden Saber 147gr JHP (GS9MMC)

    Federal Tactical 124gr JHP (LE9T1)

    Federal Tactical 135gr JHP +P (LE9T5)

    Federal HST 147gr JHP (P9HST2)

    You might notice that the list does NOT include any lightweight bullets with the exception of the Barnes 115gr version. The reason - especially if you've read the beginning of this article - should be clear already, but Doctor Roberts sums it up nicely as well: "With the exception of the Barnes 115 gr XPB all copper projectile, in general, most 9 mm 115 gr loads have demonstrated greater inconsistency, insufficient penetration, poor intermediate barrier capability, and failure to expand in denim testing than other 9mm bullets. For those individuals wanting to use lighter weight, supersonic 9 mm’s, I think a better alternative than the vast majority of 115 gr loads is to use the slightly heavier 124 to 127 gr bullets or the Barnes 115 gr all copper bullet"
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