Range Owner Says Speer's .45 Cal. 200+p is no good???

Range Owner Says Speer's .45 Cal. 200+p is no good???

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    Range Owner Says Speer's .45 Cal. 200+p is no good???

    Yesterday I was going to buy a box of Speer's .45 cal. 200+P and the range owner told me that there are better choices in .45 caliber for home defense and ranked this ammo's effectiveness as fair. Any thoughts on this ammo's effectiveness?

    Any other info on this ammo would be appreciated.



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    I have no doubt that a Gold dot HP .45 200Grain bullet at +P pressure would be a decent SD round.

    Sure there might be better but I wouldn't feel uneasy with a magazine load of the above, provided they functioned well in my pistol (as most GDHP's have).

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    If they are Speer's legendary "flying ashtray" load, I beg to differ with the range owner....
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    Next time you go to the range take the range officer a Baloney Sandwich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-O-Matic View Post
    Yesterday I was going to buy a box of Speer's .45 cal. 200+P and the range owner told me that there are better choices in .45 caliber for home defense and ranked this ammo's effectiveness as fair. Any thoughts on this ammo's effectiveness?

    Any other info on this ammo would be appreciated.

    As OJ was once quoted, "Let me take a wild stab at this."

    The better choices in .45 caliber ammo choices juuuuuust happens to be the brand he has lots of...correct?
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    The question you should have replied with was.....



    "In what?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-O-Matic View Post
    Yesterday I was going to buy a box of Speer's .45 cal. 200+P and the range owner told me that there are better choices in .45 caliber for home defense and ranked this ammo's effectiveness as fair. Any thoughts on this ammo's effectiveness?

    Any other info on this ammo would be appreciated.

    Good. Get it at a discount.

    After all, the 200 gr +p is crap. Take it off his hands...

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    here's a link to the gold dot site. check out the 200 +p and the 230 with standard pressure. 230gr is kind of the standard for the 45acp but the 200+p seems to have an edge. i've never seen a gel test on the 200gr so i cant say if penitration is as good as the 230gr or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    As OJ was once quoted, "Let me take a wild stab at this."

    The better choices in .45 caliber ammo choices juuuuuust happens to be the brand he has lots of...correct?
    Stole my thunder Ret. Either this guy can't make his margin on Speer, or he makes it huge on whatever he sells.
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    It has been my experience that folks who work in sporting goods stores, gun shops, and shooting ranges think that they have a lot of knowledge about what they sell, and in many cases what they don't sell. A little research will show that they have a very much self inflated idea as to what they know.

    Take such folks with a grain of salt.
    I would be perfectly satisfied to use that ammo for my carry guns forever. I would say that if there was a problem it would be that the large cavity mouth might not feel well in some guns.
    If it feeds it is a very good round.

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    This is just one gunshop commando's opinion.

    And we all know what that's worth...


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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryM View Post
    It has been my experience that folks who work in sporting goods stores, gun shops, and shooting ranges think that they have a lot of knowledge about what they sell, and in many cases what they don't sell. A little research will show that they have a very much self inflated idea as to what they know.

    Take such folks with a grain of salt.
    I would be perfectly satisfied to use that ammo for my carry guns forever. I would say that if there was a problem it would be that the large cavity mouth might not feel well in some guns.
    If it feeds it is a very good round.

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    If it feeds and it goes bang then I'd say it can't be a bad SD round.

    Where was he trying to lean you in regards to ammo selection? seldom will an associate talk you out of one ammo they have to sell you on an ammo they don't carry. If he was pushing you to another ammo around the same price he may in fact be making a genuine recommendation.
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    According to Speer, the 45 acp 200 grain GD +P loading is the modern representation of their original Flying Ashtray load and the only reason for the change was that machine and tooling for the original bullet was getting so worn out it was no longer cost effective to try and keep it going, given that the company who had made it was no longer in existence.

    They even made improvements, such as bonded jacket, tweaked the bullet's profile to improve feeding, improved the design of the cavity, so that the expansion profile would be symmetrical and a range of weights 185,200,230 and 230 SB.

    I was an ardent follower of the "Ashtray" and if I had been able to find a reliable local supply of it I would have continued to carry it.

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    Here's a pic of a Speer .45 200grain JHP bullet #4477.

    Looks like it will do the job, at least to me.

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    Where did you find components? I must have cleaned out 4 states of supplies when I heard about the change :)

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