3 to 12 feet Encounter> In .45 cal. what wt.gr. is best?
This is a discussion on 3 to 12 feet Encounter> In .45 cal. what wt.gr. is best? within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I carry the Winchester Ranger T 230 grain in my .45ACP pistols. Is it the best? I don't know. I am sure it will do ...
July 6th, 2009 08:21 AM
I carry the Winchester Ranger T 230 grain in my .45ACP pistols. Is it the best? I don't know. I am sure it will do the job if I do my part. Its accurate, shoots point of aim, and reliable in my pistols. I am a fan of 230 grain bullets in the ACP, so I didn't even consider other bullet weights.
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July 6th, 2009 02:05 PM
I can't think of anything better than 230 gr HP. At those ranges one had better be able to shoot the instant the holster is cleared, and the gun in line. I would not spend much time on the initial shot but would want to get the round somewhere in main trunk, and work the shots up.
We're talking about 1-4 yards. If you start trying to use the front sight you would be hit and maybe dead yourself.
July 6th, 2009 02:56 PM
At 3-12 feet home defense range the best .45 is a 12 guage slug. Buck shot would work good too.
BTW, there is no such thing as the "best" bullet.
July 6th, 2009 03:16 PM
I like the Federal 230gr Hydra Shok... in all my 45's.
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July 7th, 2009 02:51 AM
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July 7th, 2009 08:55 AM
Why 3 to 12 feet? Why be so specialized? More on this in a later paragraph.
Ammunition has changed a bit since the release of Marshall/Sanow book on stopping power. I am not saying the current edition of Hydra-Shok will not do the job, and it is even possible that today's .45 ACP Hydra-Shok is identical to that loaded back then, but Evan himself, in his forum, has indicated that things have changed, and that Hydra-Shok is an older generation of bullet, that has been surpassed.
Really, in .45 ACP, it probably doesn't matter so much which one uses. If I happened to have a .45 ACP handgun nearest at hand when a bad guy threatened, I would be equally happy with any premium controlled-expansion bullet. I used 230-grain Hydra-Shoks in various 1911 pistols, and an early "European style" SIG P220, through the 1990's and up to 2002. (I switched to .40 S&W duty pistol in 2002, and tend to CC what I use at work.) I am thinking about bringing my one last 1911 back into occasional service, and will probably go with 230-grain Gold Dot, due to availability at a good price point.
I would not be unhappy using 185-grain .45 ACP, either, but would certainly try to research which load has done well for a large agency over a period of time, or preferably, more than one agency. I consider anything lighter than 185 grains to be a bit too experimental for my taste; I like the tried and true, and that which hits to point of aim. Lighter bullets have a different point of impact, all else being equal. POI may not matter so much at 3-12 feet, but what if things go outside? A gunfight itself is a statistical anomaly, so if I am going to keep a gun handy, I may as well not limit myself to one engagement range. What if I must go to the defense of someone, such as a family member, who is being carjacked out at the curb? With mobile communication being the norm these days, this is a very REAL scenario, even if one does not carry away from the home. (Search for news reports of follow-home robberies; these have always happened, and are getting MORE common.)
FWIW, I don't worry too much which grain weight of bullet I use in my .40 duty/carry pistols, either. I have run plenty of 165-grain Golden Saber through my P229s to know they like it, and due to availability issues, have also run enough of one 155-grain grain Federal load to make sure it works, and am starting to do the same with 180-grain Gold Dots, which are recently more available than other premium .40 loads at my usual sources, and hit POI better than the lighter stuff.
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