This is a discussion on Hornady Critical Defense Rounds--9mm within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by taseal I wonder if their argument is correct.. so if you shoot a JHP at a person with heavy clothing, the bullet ...
Here is a Hornady video about this cartridge, you'll see how they talk about that they weren't trying to meet FBI 12" mins, but to make an effective bullet that fully expands
YouTube - Hornady Critical Defense ammunition
Here's an interesting gel test. I carry Federal 124 gr 9mm +P EFMJ in my Glock 26, while my wife's LCP has the .380 Hornady Critical Defense alternating with FMJ-Flat Points. Yes, all tested for feeding.
I like the concept of a non-JHP expanding bullet. No hollow cavity to get plugged, wrapped, or crushed. And if these rounds fail to expand for whatever reason, you still have a bit of a blunt tip (more so with EFMJ) which causes more tissue damage than a crushed JHP, which tends to act like ball.
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I just wish they offered +P 120 gr plus
I'm the guy who always says its not the bullet, but the shot placement, but i'd like to at least have the most power I can out of that bullet with a +P lol
back to the OP! Yes, I have these rounds in a 9mm 115gr. I was able to purchase 60 rounds of it (they only had 3 boxes), I fired 45 rounds and kept 15 for one mag. My other mag is loaded with Federal LE JHP 147gr. I was low and needed ammo, you take what you can get.
As for hte Critical Defense ammo? In my Cougar 8000, no FTF, no FTE and very accurate - about as good as the Federal.
Any Ammo is better than an empty gun! Give the guy some credit for trying a function test with them. In a bad / desperate situation, I would load and shoot anything I could get my hands on. Sorta like the street gang - they use crap and still put people down.
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My Kahr CW9 loves 115 gr ammo much better than 124gr & heavier ammo.
I would love to try some Hornady critical defense ammo, but I can't find it anywhere. Any suggestions? All of the mail order big boys are back ordered.
I was able to find only 124gr Speer Gold Dot locally, and it shoots almost a foot low at 7 yards. I might just have to get used to it until the Hornady is out.
Open to suggestions
I run them thru the Kel-Tec. PF-9. Good and hit where I aim.
[QUOTE=cmb;1232396]I use the xtp bullet, loaded in a fiocchi case, they have been good to me, 115 grains feed very well in my gun and from those who are published I have read I have gatherd that anything above 125 grains in 9mm isn't as effective, and some agancies have gone down to 124 +P or +P+... the fiocchi rounds did weel in my personal tests and I ordered them from Cabela's had to wait about a month... I have enough now for a while...[/QUOTew
I have read this as well ; not using 147 gr. as it does'nt perform as good when compared to 115, with 124gr. being the ideal
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They feel very smooth when I fire them at the range. They feed great in both of my firearms. They're light and very fast. Plus, they aren't heavy beasts in a full magazine.
Yikes, I'm keeping a low profile on this one...pssst, test fire a few.
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I guess you don't like your wife very much and want her to be a Beta tester for you huh?
FWIW: I "test" and require that any load I may choose in an autoloader, perform 100% for 200 rounds. Because that can be cost prohibitive I am sometimes forced to use old, but proven, technology.
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I'll have to admit, I'm with Janq & Biker on this one...I'd sooner carry FMJ that I know works in my pistol than a JHP I haven't proven yet...
Get more, and shoot the heck out of it before you say the gun is good to go with it; and, since (as I read) the G26 is new, I'd be putting at least a couple hundred rounds of FMJ through it first to make certain it's reliable.
But that's me; others may choose to do differently.
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