.38 - 158 SWCHP +P or 125 gr. HP +P?

.38 - 158 SWCHP +P or 125 gr. HP +P?

This is a discussion on .38 - 158 SWCHP +P or 125 gr. HP +P? within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; So for something like a S&W 442 (or any of the small and light .38 Special snubbies) would maybe a traditional 158 gr. semi wadcutter ...

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    .38 - 158 SWCHP +P or 125 gr. HP +P?

    So for something like a S&W 442 (or any of the small and light .38 Special snubbies) would maybe a traditional 158 gr. semi wadcutter hollow point in +P be preferred over the latest 125 gr. +P hollow points or vice versa? Both will leave a mark so maybe it doesn't matter. Just wondering the most current thoughts.
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    125gr Gold Dot is what I'd carry in a snubby.
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    I carry the 125 grain gold dots loaded by Buffalo Bore. They "feel" hotter than the other stuff I have shot.

    See my post here:
    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...8-special.html

    The main reason I like it is it's really consistant.

    See this;
    Buffalo Bore 125gr Speer Low Velocity JHC

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    Put me down fo a 158 semi wad no +P....good 'nuff
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    Neither. Speer makes a Gold Dot load especially engineered for use in short barrel revolvers. They cleverly call it Gold Dot Short Barrelammo. In .38+P and .357 mag, they use a 135 gr. Gold Dot bullet that has been tweeked to penetrate and expand as if fired from a longer barreled revolver. As you no doubt know, ammo loses power from shorter barrels and the new Gold Dot is designed to deal with that. A bit spendy, but what is your life worth?

    The Gold Dot design has a solid history of performance in self defense situations. I carry it and recommend it.

    Here's the link;
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer View Post
    Neither. Speer makes a Gold Dot load especially engineered for use in short barrel revolvers. They cleverly call it Gold Dot Short Barrelammo. In .38+P and .357 mag, they use a 135 gr. Gold Dot bullet that has been tweeked to penetrate and expand as if fired from a longer barreled revolver. As you no doubt know, ammo loses power from shorter barrels and the new Gold Dot is designed to deal with that. A bit spendy, but what is your life worth?

    The Gold Dot design has a solid history of performance in self defense situations. I carry it and recommend it.

    Here's the link;
    Speer Ammo - Short Barrel
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    This particular load was made for NYPD officers who still carry their J-Frames and Ruger SP-101("SPNY")as off-duty and back-up weapons. Great load from what I hear. Will be on my short list when I get my Ruger LCR. I carried 158gr. SWCHP +P's when we carried revolvers(on and off duty)before my job "Glock'd up". Either will do the trick in the end!
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    If you've not seen "Terminal Ballistics as Viewed in a Morgue" try to do a search here and I think you'll be impressed with what Deadmeat2 has to say. He addresses the 125 grain high velocity loads and HP versus FMJ. If you decide to print it and study what he has to say [my suggestion] be prepared to print 37 pages.

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    I'm currently carrying the .357 mag Speer Gold Dot 135 grain HP in my S&W 649 Bodyguard but the Remington 125 grain Golden Sabre HP also shot well. I recently ordered a couple of boxes of 158 grain SWCHP +P in 38 special. Several guru's, including Mr Ayoob, are on record as favoring this load for their J frames. It just comes down to going with what shoots best in your gun.

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    I'm satisfied that the heavier +P 158 grain lead SWC is the best choice for all .38 Special self defense duties.

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    49 & 442: Buffalo Bore non +P 158's.
    640 (38): First 2 same as above,
    next 3 BB 158 +P's.
    340 PD: BB 125 +P's.
    If not for BB, all would be loaded with
    Corbon DPX 38 +P's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hudsonvalley View Post
    Put me down fo a 158 semi wad no +P....good 'nuff
    Quote Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
    I'm satisfied that the heavier +P 158 grain lead SWC is the best choice for all .38 Special self defense duties.
    This is my thinking as well...whenever I carry a .38 Special revolver, it is loaded with 158-grain semi-wadcutter hollowpoints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer View Post
    ...Speer makes a Gold Dot load especially engineered for use in short barrel revolvers. They cleverly call it Gold Dot Short Barrel ammo...
    Here's the link;
    Speer Ammo - Short Barrel
    I'm currently carrying with the 125 gr. +p, but this 135 gr. +p ammo, has caused me to rethink my choice.

    Thanks for the link Pioneer.

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    I switch back and forth between 158gr +p lswchp and 135gr Gold Dot SB +p loads. I guess either one is good, at least I hope so. The old 158 gr has quite a long track record and is way cheaper usually, since they come 50 to a box instead of 20, so it kind of has the edge in my book. YMMV
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