Magtech 380 +P Guardian

Magtech 380 +P Guardian

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    Magtech 380 +P Guardian

    FYI-

    I bought some +P 380 by mistake for my LCP and my wife's Bersa and once I noticed it was +P I called MAgtech to find out some info on it for safety purposes in my LCP and here is there meail response:

    Tony,

    Iím still waiting to find the pressure for the Guardian Gold .380, but what I am hearing is that there is no SAAMI spec for a +P .380, just a max pressure for non +P. I was told that the Guardian Gold is loaded at a pressure above that max pressure for the non +P, and that if your gun is not rated for it, which I believe the LCP isnít, I would suggest not shooting it in your gun.

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    Am I missing something ?

    No offer to refund replace ?

    Seems like they sold something they either know nothing about or don't seem to care.

    Just MHO,

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    I seriously doubt the OP bought directly from Magtech, and a search for "LCP +P" would have brought up a lot of discussions regarding +P in the LCP (not recommended).

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    I bought from Midway and if ok in the Bersa then I am ok.....just trying to figure out the +P thing and if ok in these guns. The +P thing is confusing because of the non rsating fromSAAMI.
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    Most sellers won't allow ammo returns unless it was their error, i.e. wrong item sent, etc. You might want to contact Ruger and get their opinion on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harley2007 View Post
    I bought from Midway and if ok in the Bersa then I am ok.....just trying to figure out the +P thing and if ok in these guns. The +P thing is confusing because of the non rsating fromSAAMI.
    I'm thinkin the Bersa can handle the round, but I agree the LCP isn't rated for the higher pressures.
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    Bersa yes, LCP
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    The +p and +P+ designations are a marketing tool. There is no defined standard for such designations - a manufacturer can call it anything they want.

    I don't remember where I read it, but someone in the last couple of years did a comparison of today's +P ammo with ammo produced in the 70s. Most of the work was with .357 Magnum, .38 Special and .45 ACP. In virtually all the cases, today's +p and +P+, was slower than the "standard" ammo of the 70s.

    His conclusion was that ammo manufacturers lowered the pressure and velocity of today's ammo in fear of liability over the maximum pressure standards loads of yesteryear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hogdaddy View Post
    Bersa yes, LCP
    That is exactly what I plan to do.....don't want to risk it in the LCP. I will get some other Defensive Loads for the LCP that others have recommended and is non+P.

    Thanks.
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    I was told not to shoot the MagTech through my Kel-Tec 380 as it could possibly blow up the gun.

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    Check out this link before shooting +P ammo out of a LCP.

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...wer-p-lcp.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragin Cajun View Post
    Check out this link before shooting +P ammo out of a LCP.

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...wer-p-lcp.html
    I just did! Thanks
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    Midway doesn't always inform the buyer that the ammo is rated +P. I bought some Magtech from them that was not labeled +P in the item description. I called Midway to inform them of the mistake and suggested they change the ad. They didn't. A blemish on their record IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripley16 View Post
    Midway doesn't always inform the buyer that the ammo is rated +P. I bought some Magtech from them that was not labeled +P in the item description. I called Midway to inform them of the mistake and suggested they change the ad. They didn't. A blemish on their record IMO.
    Never depend upon information on a distributor's web site or in their printed material - no matter what the product. That info is done by sales/advertising people and not technical people. Virtually all such sites have accuracy disclaimers.

    The only sites you can come close to depending on are the manufacturer's sites and there are sometime inaccuracies there, as well. Always research the information on the manufacturer's site before buying from a retail source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ripley16 View Post
    Midway doesn't always inform the buyer that the ammo is rated +P. I bought some Magtech from them that was not labeled +P in the item description. I called Midway to inform them of the mistake and suggested they change the ad. They didn't. A blemish on their record IMO.
    I am just lucky I have another bigger 380 (the Bersa) that can handle it and I am happy with the price so as long as it feeds, it will be the defensive round for the Bersa, but yes, I agree with everything you said in that they should have made it apparent.
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