XM40HC (Federal HST in white box)

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    XM40HC (Federal HST in white box)

    Anyone seen this ammo? I found some at gunbroker and it clearly states HST on the box 180gr.

    What's the deal with it?
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    not i they are usually in a brown box
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    When big LE agencies buy large quantities of ammunition under GSA contract pricing, the get the product in plain-Jane packaging... The colorful boxes actually cost money to print. Sometimes agencies over-order or even try to recoup some costs by selling their overstock to wholesalers and that is how it winds up back on the civilian market.

    Same HST ammunition in a vanilla box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gglass View Post
    When big LE agencies buy large quantities of ammunition under GSA contract pricing, the get the product in plain-Jane packaging... The colorful boxes actually cost money to print. Sometimes agencies over-order or even try to recoup some costs by selling their overstock to wholesalers and that is how it winds up back on the civilian market.

    Same HST ammunition in a vanilla box.
    The casings are plain brass, no nickle coating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmdrdredd View Post
    The casings are plain brass, no nickle coating.
    So I was looking at a box of this today but didn't buy it because usually HST is nickle plated and I was confused as to what it was.

    Does it matter much that it is straight brass?

    A box of 40S&W was $32 for 50 rounds I think.

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    You know, I don't think it makes a difference at all. Supposedly, from what I've heard before the nickle is a little slicker so it feeds better out of the magazine. What to make of that? I think it's BS *shrug* I mean Cor-Bon DPX uses standard brass casings and it works fine IME. Nickle casings look fancy though
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    Nikle DOES make it easier to do a visual for a round in the chamber in some guns.
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    Tactical defense solutions has the same stuff for 29.00 a box
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    Tactical defense solutions has the same stuff for 29.00 a box
    I saw that too, I mean I've just been seeing this stuff pop up more and more. Wondered what it was about if anyone knew. The idea of a big order that got rejected or an overrun makes sense.
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    XM means it failed to meet spec...

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    Quote Originally Posted by stoprilshoot View Post
    XM means it failed to meet spec...
    Good for the range. Not suitable for defensive purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knuckledrager View Post
    Good for the range. Not suitable for defensive purposes.
    Where did you pull that from? Failed to meet spec of the order, not Federal's spec or they would not put it out.

    I researched it and here's what happens many times. a Large order comes in and they manufacture it. There are criteria the purchasing body must adhere to. I have heard of orders being rejected because they are 4fps over spec in velocity. They could list a variance of 24fps and they are 27fps over and thus rejected.

    I don't believe federal would put HST on anything and intend it to be range only, especially not for $30/box of 50. Especially not when they could have pulled the bullets and loaded up more of the tactical box stuff for sale to market.

    Unless you have facts don't make those claims. Prove to me that this stuff won't expand as intended and I'll believe that this is range only.

    Found on another thread http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...php?p=13886676
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmdrdredd View Post
    Where did you pull that from? Failed to meet spec of the order, not Federal's spec or they would not put it out.

    I researched it and here's what happens many times.


    i would email federal and ask them if its suitable for duty use.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Knuckledrager View Post
    Good for the range. Not suitable for defensive purposes.
    It's amazing the nonsense that floats around the Internet as fact.

    XM40HC is the standard designation for the LE load. LE contracts are generally packaged in generic packaging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoprilshoot View Post
    i would email federal and ask them if its suitable for duty use.

    what else is a JHP for?

    I'm not an LEO so there is no "duty" and yes it is a "duty" loading, being that there's no civilian marketed version like Gold Dot, & Winchester PDX1. I do believe I would trust my life to it had I tested it in MY weapon.
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