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Ummm, hmmm. Wait, what?

This is a discussion on Ummm, hmmm. Wait, what? within the Defensive Ammunition & Ballistics forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by EW3 The Russians have found ways around the Hague Convention: 5.45x39mm 5N7 Cartridge Sectional Drawing A: projectile jacket B: steel core C: ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EW3 View Post
    The Russians have found ways around the Hague Convention:




    5.45x39mm 5N7 Cartridge Sectional Drawing
    A: projectile jacket
    B: steel core
    C: hollow point
    D: lead inlay
    E: propelling charge

    5.45x39mm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    So has the US--we call it OTM (Open Tip Match).

    Since the round isn't designed to expand and cause "more suffering", it's technically legal.
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    The Afghans called that the "poison bullet" when they were fighting the Soviets.
    The more good folks carry guns, the fewer shots the crazies can get off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD View Post
    Say what?

    Never mind, I just looked it up....Personally I think that one shot the butt is BS, but yeah that's why they were PO'd. Too bad for them.
    I don't know the story, but a bullet shot in the butt that hits the femoral artery would kill very quickly. This would work with any bullet.

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    again i find myself wanting to say i agree with buckeye and Mr. Buckeye you are correct

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post
    In addition to the legal issues, the military likes FMJ because it feeds better, and because it penetrates cover better than an expanding bullet.
    Nothing to do with cost then? LMAO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul1968mcr View Post
    Nothing to do with cost then? LMAO.
    No. Nothing at all. Remember, it's the Government...they can print all the money they want...wait...that's what they ARE doing...

    Seriously, for military use, FMJ is best. Troops need penetration for use on the battlefield - things like body armor, helmets, cinder blocks, sheet metal, glass, timber, etc. FMJ does this better than an expanding bullet design.
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    You can kill them....just try to keep it clean.

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