Good Defense Round For Snubby..Yes or No?

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    Good Defense Round For Snubby..Yes or No?

    In both 2in. & 4in. barrel .357 revolvers, I have found that the 125gr. JSP is my most accurate round. This JSP is considered a hunting round and I wouldn't load it for SD in my longer barrel carry gun because it most likely would over penetrate. However, I believe it would be an excellent SD round from a snubby, because, it will have much less velocity as not to over penetrate, but will penetrate deep. It will also mushroom on impact because it's a soft point, creating a bigger hole and nasty wound channel. Agree or disagree?

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    Jacketed soft points that are designed for hunting will usually act like a FMJ at lower velocities. I never got one to expand in water and if it doesn't expand in water, it won't expand in anything. You might get some deformation hitting heavy bone but there are much better choices for SD.
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    Agree with KPW, stick with some form of quality hollow point. I happen to like Speer Gold Dot 135 grain +p for .38, and 125 or 135 grain in .357
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    A round loaded with Gold Dot bullets should work well in either gun. I like the Remington Gold Sabre personally.

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    The Federal 125 grain SJHP did about 1425 fps from my 4" 681-3 and about 1295 fps from my 2 1/4" SP101. I would imagine that the 125 grain JSP is loaded to about the same velocities. You really don't loose that much velocity in a snubbie. If anything though, I would expect a JSP at about 1300 fps to penetrate slightly more than one at 1425 fps since there is more chance of the faster bullet expanding.
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    If there is any correlation between expansion and penetration in water or tissue, it was more than twice the penetration and the soft nose of the JSP just smeared a little from a 3" Md. 66. Very un-scientific, I know.
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    +1 for the GDs, I'm also partial to the Corbon DPXs, they seem to expand well even at lower velocities.

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    This is what you need for your short-barrel .357 Magnum. Speer originally formulated a powder that completely burns in a 2" barrel for the .38 Specials carried by the NYPD. This powder is still a "secret sauce" and has not been provided to other ammo manufacturers or reloaders.

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    158 grain LSWCHP in 38 will do just fine thanks....expands to about .55 in water test...yeah, it'll get 'er done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hudsonvalley View Post
    158 grain LSWCHP in 38 will do just fine thanks....expands to about .55 in water test...yeah, it'll get 'er done.
    I agree. It is hard to beat 158g lead in a 38 spl. Makes folks leak really bad. High tech is fine, but what works, works.
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    I use +P Short Barrel Gold Dots myself!
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    +1 on GD, it never fails!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart View Post
    In both 2in. & 4in. barrel .357 revolvers, I have found that the 125gr. JSP is my most accurate round. This JSP is considered a hunting round and I wouldn't load it for SD in my longer barrel carry gun because it most likely would over penetrate. However, I believe it would be an excellent SD round from a snubby, because, it will have much less velocity as not to over penetrate, but will penetrate deep. It will also mushroom on impact because it's a soft point, creating a bigger hole and nasty wound channel. Agree or disagree?
    Disagree, in most instances a JSP will perform like FMJ when fired from short barrels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpw View Post
    Jacketed soft points that are designed for hunting will usually act like a FMJ at lower velocities. I never got one to expand in water and if it doesn't expand in water, it won't expand in anything. You might get some deformation hitting heavy bone but there are much better choices for SD.
    To me, shot placement is top priority. Aside from shot placement, what is most important to you in any self defense situation where your life depends on it, penetration or expansion? You can't have both, just one or the other.

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