Picture Comparison: Expanded .40 HST, Ranger Tseries, Gold Dot

[DRT]

Pictures .40 HST, Ranger Tseries, Gold Dot - Glock Talk

[DefensiveCarry.com]

[shooterX]

Looks like the gold dot doesn't perform very well through multiple layers of clothing.

[atctimmy]

Is the Ranger round the same as the old Black talon?

[RA229]

Is the Ranger round the same as the old Black talon?

The T series is , black talon got a bad name as being cop killers, so the name was changed.

[kpw]

I prefer the 180 GD to the 165. I wish they would have compared all bullets in the 180 weight.

[Majorlk]

The T series is , black talon got a bad name as being cop killers, so the name was changed.

This was a lot of nonsense fostered by the anti-gun movement. I'm not sure there was ever a case of a police officer being shot with a BT. Winchester did change the name, however. I have about 100 rounds of them in .40S&W.

[RA229]

This was a lot of nonsense fostered by the anti-gun movement. I'm not sure there was ever a case of a police officer being shot with a BT. Winchester did change the name, however. I have about 100 rounds of them in .40S&W.

I agree, bad name due to media hype. This was back when the ban on assault weapons went into play.

[nedrgr21]

If you look at ATK's Wound ballistics Workshop, the GD's do better than HST's thru autoglass - pick your poison.

[dukalmighty]

All my defensive rounds are either HST or Ranger T series,I even sent my daughter 100 rounds of 124 grn ranger T,

[DRT]

If you look at ATK's Wound ballistics Workshop, the GD's do better than HST's thru autoglass - pick your poison.

Here's a link to ATK latest ballistics workshop. Did gold dot really outperform HST through glass? Don't think so.

http://le.atk.com/pdf/Butte_WBW_5_27_09.pdf

Stick with heavy-for-the-caliber HST (e.g. 180gr .40, 230gr .45) and they'll perform just fine through glass and offer superior performance everywhere else.

[DRT]

Is the Ranger round the same as the old Black talon?

The latest T-series Ranger is at least two design generations newer than black talon. Tseries is a better bullet.

[DRT]

Looks like the gold dot doesn't perform very well through multiple layers of clothing.

That's the price you pay for shooting most bonded bullets.

[nedrgr21]

Here's a link to ATK latest ballistics workshop. Did gold dot really outperform HST through glass? Don't think so.

http://le.atk.com/pdf/Butte_WBW_5_27_09.pdf

Stick with heavy-for-the-caliber HST (e.g. 180gr .40, 230gr .45) and they'll perform just fine through glass and offer superior performance everywhere else.

I've looked through all the wound ballistic workshops, not just one, that have been published and the HST's in other tests suffered from core-jacket separation thru auto glass. I still carry the 40 S&W 180gr HST's.
From the Ft. Collins testing:
Test Event #6 – Auto Glass @ 10 Feet

Bullet Caliber/Weight Penetration Expansion (in.) RetainedWeight
Federal HST 40 S&W 180 gr. 12.75” 0.510” 63.50%**
Winchester SXT 40 S&W 180 gr. 10.25” 0.465” 71.83%**
Remington GS 40 S&W 180 gr. 10.50” 0.560” 68.11%**
Speer GDHP 40 S&W 180 gr. 13.00” 0.760” 84.89%
**Core Jacket Separation **

[DRT]

These companies have been known to tweak bullet designs all the time which is why I looked at their latest test which is significantly newer than the prior tests. In their latest test, HST did just as good as gold dot through glass. Additionally, the 180gr version passed the FBI's windshield test, including all others. The secret is that the heavy bullets work better through intermediate barriers, including glass.

You made a good choice.