BGs and thier ammo choice?
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February 18th, 2010 10:41 AM
Having taken many a gun off of "thugs" I see them loaded with what ever they can find. Usually a mixture of FMJ and HP.
February 18th, 2010 02:18 PM
The last fatal shootings I worked were:
.380 FMJ (head)
.380 FMJ (head x 2)
.380 FMJ (head)
.223 JHP(center mass x 2)
.45 FMJ (spine, less than 3" of penetration based on the xray)
Not counting the contact range shotgun suicide kind of shootings. I did get to see a confiscated Davis .380 a few years ago during spring break activities in Daytona. The gun had a broken magazine with no floorplate, but a spring and follower. The BG had wrapped the grip with tape to hold the spring in and made it a top-loader. Had three rounds of FMJ in it. I also saw a stolen Colt Mustang full of Glaser. I imagine that was just as it was stolen from the owner.
February 18th, 2010 10:56 PM
Agree....probably any and everything they can get they will use.
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February 18th, 2010 11:58 PM
It seems 380 are effective and FMJ at that.
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February 23rd, 2010 05:46 PM
Originally Posted by kbox
February 23rd, 2010 10:02 PM
From what I've seen, the current fashion for the BG's is to hold their guns sideways, over their head while shooting. Not real helpful for shot placement!
Originally Posted by hayzor
February 26th, 2010 09:52 PM
In regards to the BG's not using JHP defensive ammo like the rest of us: I read an article, I want to say by Mas Ayoob, about FMJ rounds being just as lethal as JHP's. It also stated that the JHP expansion just produced a better stopping effect and that it is the most responsible round for law abiding shooters because you risk less overpenetration and risk less innocent lives. Having said that, I would have to say that they use ammo of opportunity, as far as the POS mugger/thief/street dealer I would say that whomever sold him the gun supplied a mag/cylinder full of bullets too!
March 6th, 2010 01:24 PM
I would say the primary cause of gang-bangers surviving multiple hits is not bad ammo or even necessarily shot placement.
Rather, it's due to the fact that the modern emergency medicine we taxpayers provide for them prevents these sorry no-'counts from dying due to loss of blood, shock, peritonitis, or organ failures like they did when their ilk got plugged in the "good ol' days."
I wonder if anybody has ever managed to quantify this impact on society? Because how many BGs stick with this way of life at least partly because they assume they'll survive a shooting in most cases? For that matter, what % of murderers & rapists have been shot before, yet still survive to prey on society? I'm pretty sure it's quite high! Like Fats Domino used to sing, "Ain't that a shame?"
March 6th, 2010 04:42 PM
I don't worry about the BG that has good gear and top notch bonded JHP's that is planning to rob my store? Why? Because if he is a smart guy that has planned out his crime, he will have cased my place and observed that we don't do hardly any cash business and there really isn't anything of value that is easy to fence.
I worry about the junkie that comes in with whatever he got his hands on and is unstable making him likely to panic and do unnecessary violence. One of the LEO's that regularly patrols my area says they've pulled a lot of stolen guns off BG's. He just doesn't see good stuff that legally belongs to them, which of course makes sense.
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March 6th, 2010 04:49 PM
I'd say that a lot of this also has to do with random fire as opposed to cautious aim. Having been present during drive bys (not participating, only in the wrong place at the right time) I can tell you there is not a whole lot of aiming going on.
Originally Posted by nochknstrps
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March 6th, 2010 04:50 PM
FMJ are what I carry in the old Kel Tec.
Originally Posted by searcher 45
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March 7th, 2010 11:00 PM
that and the fact that MOST people survive their wounds.
Originally Posted by LouisianaMan
handguns suk for stopping power and peeps dont want to believe that. they think the BG will drop like a stone after the first shot.
March 7th, 2010 11:10 PM
March 7th, 2010 11:15 PM
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March 8th, 2010 04:02 AM
The ******** that tried to rob a family member of mines used range ammo.
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