Self-Defense and the Law

Self-Defense and the Law

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    Self-Defense and the Law

    I received this article this morning. Interesting discussion!

    Self-Defense and the Law : A Roundtable Interview : Sam Harris
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    Very interesting discussion. I really wish more states would make self defense in your home and vehicle more clear cut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OutWestSystems View Post
    Very interesting discussion. I really wish more states would make self defense in your home and vehicle more clear cut.
    That's quite an optimistic wish!!

    If they did that, then attorney's would have less to do and the media would have less to question.
    "Life is tough but it's really tough if you are stupid"

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    Very good item, onacoma. This should be made into a sticky, as the conversation covers so many topics that arise here repeatedly. What is brandishing? What is self-defense? What will the DA do? Etc.
    "It may seem difficult at first, but everything is difficult at first."

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    Of course that only applies when we live under the law. We do not. Our current system ignores the law and allows DA's to do as they please.
    DA's and AG's can make up charges for anything now or on the other hand fail to file charges.
    Just last week Holder told State and Federal prosecutors to leave out information when charging some so Judges will ignore Guide lines for minimum time to serve.

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    Actually, Smitty, if you go back and look at how things used to be, the cops (police, DAs, et al.) used to be able to just pick somebody up and bust 'em for anything. At will. HL Mencken described the police procedure known as the "Third Degree" as being when the suspect's blood hit the ceiling during a rough interrogation. Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn abolished his state's death penalty due to the large number of innocent persons discovered to be on death row.

    It's not like we used to live in some Golden Age of precise and judicious jurisprudence, now torn asunder by a wayward administration and its minions. But the fact is that we are in a turbulent era where some rights and laws are being strengthened, while others are weakened. It's not a field with a discernible tilt in one direction or the other.

    On the one hand, TSA and Homeland Security and the NSA are running riot over the 4th Amendment, and on the other we have a nationwide strengthening of Castle Doctrine and concealed carry law, bolstering the 2nd. In the light of recent tragedies, attempts at renewing an assault weapons ban and magazine capacity limits went nowhere, fast.

    AG Holder is now engaged in forcibly undoing some of the worst abuses of the "war on drugs," which has been an abject disaster. He's fast-tracking a new policy designed to give judges some leeway against mandatory minimum Rockefeller-laws that forced the courts to sentence small-time offenders to obscenely punitive sentences. With our prisons stuffed beyond capacity, state treasuries are strained and we are perforce breeding a generational cohort both skilled in felonious conduct and concurrently unemployable. Bad juju.

    Pontificate as you like regarding our "living under the law," but do apply some measure of circumspection, as this is an inchoate landscape.
    "It may seem difficult at first, but everything is difficult at first."

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