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    Sun tzu

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    For those that have never studied war these writings are very prevalent today. Now if you take the time to read this you will find a way to apply all of it in your daily activities. If you remember when this was written war was not what it is today it was very personal and hand to hand combat. Very similar to what you will find if you have to defend yourself in a life or death struggle.

    The thoughts in Sun Tzu are studied by those that still engage in the act of war whether on the streets or in the field. An example that can be useful to us is to understand this quote" If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle."

    Worth study in my opinion.

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    My favorite; "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting."
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    The lessons in "The Art of War" can be applied to many things in life, especially business. I'm an avid reader and it's easily the book I've read the most. I've made it a point to read it at least twice a year. The lessons learned are truly invaluable.
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    I've always liked this quote from him:

    "Though we have heard of stupid haste in war, cleverness has never been seen associated with long delays."
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    My favorite as it pertains to concealed carry and self defense:

    "The art of war teaches us to rely not on the likelihood of the enemy's not coming, but on our own readiness to receive him; not on the chance of his not attacking, but rather on the fact that we have made our position unassailable."
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    A long time ago i read a book called "Zen And The Art Of Archery" at the time i was trying to apply those principles to Photography. I will check Sun Tzu out !
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    One of my favorites:

    "The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself."
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    In most cases, Sun Tzu's The Art of War is applicable to generals, managers, people who have to direct others in coordinated activity. Miyamoto Musashi's The Book of Five Rings is the text for the urban warrior. Both are essential reading.

    You read Sun Tzu to get better at GO, you read Musashi to get better at chess.

    In the parking lot, in a store, when you have colleagues with you, when there are multiple opponents, Sun Tzu's advice will shine. When it's the gunslinger scenario, you versus a lone opponent, Musashi will have ideas you can readily deploy. Read both, study them well.
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    One of my top 10 favorite books.
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    I assign it as an extra credit book for my students. I've read it several times, and lend out my annotated version to the students upon request. It's a great book written by a wise commander.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shockwave View Post
    In most cases, Sun Tzu's The Art of War is applicable to generals, managers, people who have to direct others in coordinated activity. Miyamoto Musashi's The Book of Five Rings is the text for the urban warrior. Both are essential reading.

    You read Sun Tzu to get better at GO, you read Musashi to get better at chess.

    In the parking lot, in a store, when you have colleagues with you, when there are multiple opponents, Sun Tzu's advice will shine. When it's the gunslinger scenario, you versus a lone opponent, Musashi will have ideas you can readily deploy. Read both, study them well.
    I suspect there are a variety of translations and versions of the former out there. I bought one e-book with translation by
    Lionel Giles, supposedly with only the original text and no commentary. It was incomprehensible. I couldn't get past the
    first 10 or 15 pages. Citations to better translations with commentary would be appreciated.

    The second book sounds like it is worth checking out; if only because you suggested it and I know your mind set about MAs.

    Added a moment later: It seems there are various versions available on line. Are you recommending the translation by
    Cleary?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OutWestSystems View Post
    My favorite; "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting."
    I can do that after eating a Super Burrito
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    I suspect there are a variety of translations and versions of the former out there.
    Very many. A good one is the translation by Thomas Cleary.

    There may be better translations, but this one of Musashi is effective.
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    It amazes me those who plan not just talk of being ready. Shockwave I have read the novel or folk lore if you will of Musashi is this the same as what you recommend? I am guessing not the title Musashi has been made into movies seven times and is part of the Japanese culture as much as our mark twain. An author or interpretation would be appreciated.

    Kindle offers Sun Tzu for $.99 cents probably the best buy today.

    I came to share and left learning I have nothing new to share.

    Keep safe and aware \
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    Perhaps my favorite.... “Every battle is won before it’s ever fought.” This takes into account everything from strategy, leadership, preparedness, intelligence, the skilled use of maneuver and deception, and knowing, using and if possible even selecting the ground on which you fight.
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