March 15th, 2010 04:00 PM
Two-Tone Sig P239 as an EDC
Hi everyone. This is my first question, so take it easy on me if you could. I did a search, but didn't find anything.
I recently moved to MA (marriage - she's hot so it's worth it), and have just obtained my CC license. I previously lived in NY where 'guns were bad' and the politicians know more than the people, so I didn't have the option to CC. But now I do!
Anyway, I'm considering buying a Sig P239 (9mm) as an ED CCW, and I was wondering if the two-tone would make consealing the weapon any harder. The cost is almost the same, and my wife called the two-tone 'sexy', which means 'sure honey, spend the extra money, I don't mind' in my mind.
I know it's kind of a dumb question, but I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything in my thinking that the two-tone wouldn't be an issue at all.
I will be carrying whatever weapon I get in either the Crossbread or MTAC holster, so I will be tucking the shirt over the weapon most of the time (I'm mostly dressed 'professional', as our office calls it, which means suitcoat and tie most days). I doubt the two-tone would prove problemattic, but having only ever owned matte black weapons, I thought I should ask some more knowledgable people their opinion.
March 15th, 2010 04:24 PM
Get what you like and ignore the rest. If it's covered, why the concern? Besides, the wife said to. Part of that love, honor, and obey thing--go get it!
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March 15th, 2010 04:33 PM
With modern day finishes, stainless amounts to nothing more than aesthetics. As far as concealing, I don't think it matters much. Perhaps stainless would be easier if you wore white dress shirts.
If that is what you like, have at it. That is a fine choice in a carry weapon.
March 15th, 2010 05:59 PM
As stated, a SIG 239 is a very fine "carry". Color means nothing IMO while concealed. If you "flash it" well what are you doing with it to begin with.
I carry a Sig239 SAS402B. As long as you asked. A "shiny slide might give you away if you FUP or even worse drop your gun while making adjustments.
If the clothes dont support the holster and dont cover "right" then leave the gun in the car or at home. I like dark black/blue guns because they do "hide" better and are more forgiving for FUP's. Yeah I done some in my time. BUT not in public.
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March 16th, 2010 01:33 AM
I think two-tone guns are classy looking. I don't think it'll make a difference either way as far as concealing goes. I have a nickel 9mm that used to be my EDC and never had a problem with concealment.
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March 16th, 2010 01:54 AM
I've been debating sending my P220 off to have a "reverse" two-tone done to it. Like it just fine the way it is, but I agree that two-tone does have a refined look to it. Especially on Sigs. My .02.
March 16th, 2010 03:05 AM
Thinking out loud ...
Originally Posted by TankerTruck
Imagine you're wearing dark pants, dark (or dark print/pattern) shirt, with a darker covering garment. If you go with black, then in those conditions where your garments are all of darker colors you'll find it easier to blend in. Of course, any other time, a black gun will be contrasting with your garment colors. Depends on your wardrobe, I guess.
Me, I prefer black guns, dark holsters. I think the darker colors fade into the background, tend to blend better. But then, I've had several people notice me carrying openly when doing so, even with darker clothing.
If you're forced to cover up anyway, it doesn't really matter.
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March 16th, 2010 06:57 AM
This was my thinking too, as I wear black pants pretty much every day (it's an architect thing, just look at the pictures of architects online... you have to wear black all of the time). I wear colored dress shirts or polo shirts on days where I go to job sites (usually pretty bright, with stripes since black pants are so... well... boring), so I think the stainless slide might be OK.
Originally Posted by ccw9mm
Given the holster I have planned covers most of the weapon (outside of 1" of the slide and the black grip), and I have to fully conceal it, I think it's definately an option. Thanks for the quick responses.
March 16th, 2010 11:53 AM
The Sig 239 is a very fine firearm; I have one. Two tone makes absolutely no difference as far as concealed carry goes.
I know you did not ask for opinions on the gun, but as an owner of a 239 of feel compelled to give you my opinion. My gun has been 100% flawless, but, I just think there are better choices for carry. The 239 is is rather heavy and does not really carry a lot of ammo, and costs a good chunk of money. If you like Sig, you can get a 250 in two tone and it weighs only 25 oz. and holds 16 rounds. With the $250 you'll save over the 239 you can buy a lot of ammo! You can read my review / range report here: http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...ge-report.html
I just bought a Ruger SR9C which is very slim, two tone and very "sexy". I personally think either of these guns are a better choice than the 239. I got this gun from Bud' and paid $389. Great carry gun.
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March 16th, 2010 12:14 PM
Same gun in different cal.
I think any BG deserves to be shot with a nice looking gun.
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March 16th, 2010 12:17 PM
I'm not dead-set on the sig, but looking to make sure I wasn't missing anything along the lines when I was selecting.
I'm from MA, so the P250 isn't an option right now, as it isn't on the A.G. imaginary list of approved firearms, from what I can tell. I'm checking tonight with my local dealer, but I'm pretty sure it's not.
I'm not sure on the legality of the Ruger in MA either, but I'll definately check.
I've narrowed my search down to 3 guns (and maybe a few more now), and I'm trying to figure out which one would be the best for every day carry for me. I've shot all 3, and really enjoyed all 3, but none of them really stood out as the best, in my mind.
1. Sig P239 - it was the heaviest of the bunch, but it was the one I shot the best, which is why it stayed in the list. It was also the best looking (in two-tone). It fit my hand pretty well.
2. S&W M&P 9c - it was the 'average' gun of the group, falling in between the other two on almost all fronts. It was nice, but not 'wow!', and I was accurate with it, but nothing tremendous. It was easy(ish) to conceal, but not super easy. The trigger was a bit mediocre, but the recoil was great. I think you get the idea.
3. Walther PPS - it was my favorite looking (as I shot them), and was the smallest and lightest by far, so should be the easiest to carry. I shot well with it (similar to the 9c), and the recoil was super light for what I expected. I would have to make sure I sufficiently broke it in before I could depend on it. And I don't like the backstrap safety failing safe if it does break.
I've always been a believer that safeties, if they fail, should fail unsafe... not sure why that is actually, I guess so the gun can still fire no matter what... of course, I'm not sure if that's the smartest thing now that I write it.
March 16th, 2010 03:37 PM
You will be fine, but just make sure to blouse out the shirt a bit, and wear nice shirts with some texture in them, and darker colors.
Originally Posted by TankerTruck
Have your wife pick out shirts from Geoffrey Beene for you.
March 16th, 2010 03:56 PM
I carry a two-tone 239 SAS Gen 2 in .357SIG and love it. It's similar to Imtheduke's but with added Crimson Trace grips instead of wooden ones. I bought both the Supertuck in horsehide and an MTAC. Unlike many, I ended up preferring the Supertuck -- to me it is more comfortable and drawing the pistol is smoother than the MTAC. But I know others have the opposite opinion. I have several SIGs, so I have become familiar with their manual of arms, especially the SIG double action-single action trigger. This made the decision easier for me, but I do shoot this 239 as accurately as any of my other pistols (they're all more accurate than I am, however!). I think the mass of this pistol contributes to it's relatively low recoil and good accuracy.
Depending on the caliber you select, there are factory 8 round magazines in .357 that have a little more finger hold (they're only about 1/4 inch longer than the standard 7 round ones) and make the grip more comfortable to me. The .40S&W is only available in 7 round ones. However, I had to buy the firearm in .40 and then separately the factory .357 barrel to get my .357 choice. It all depends on what is available at the time.
The Crimson Trace grips, besides adding the laser, have small finger notches in front that also in my opinion make the grip more comfortable.
With this said, I think you would be happy with any of the pistols on your list. As you train with your choice, it will become "natural" to you, and you'll appreciate it.
March 16th, 2010 03:59 PM
The pistol has some +'s and some -'s but in my opinion the +'s far out weigh the -'s by a very long margin.
The 239 carries wonderfully and really really hugs your body with either of the holsters you mentioned thus making it very, very concealable and extremely comfortable. I have had and carried the P239 in 40 cal for several years and recommend it very highly.
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40 cal: S&W M&P 40c
9mm: Sig 239, Sp EMP, HKP7M8, HKP7 PSP
380 ACP: Sig 232, Bersa T, Colt Gov series 80, Colt Pony Pocketlite, Ruger LCP
22 LR: Ruger SS MKIII Hunter, Colt Fronteer Scout 22lr/mag, Walther PPK 22lr, PP22lr, P22, S&W 317, S&W 34-1
March 16th, 2010 04:08 PM
I carry multi-tone P229s on a regular basis. The first run of the P229 SAS were all two-tone.
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