This is a discussion on How much of a weight difference is significant? within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by targus Wow, tokerblue. I'm sorry (and, frankly, a bit "hmmm") that you find a tiny PM9 "too heavy" to pocket carry as ...
My guess is that she'll come around eventually, but as noted above a weapon WITH you beats a better one at home. On that basis I've made my peace with her carrying an LCP if that's all that will work with her current wardrobe choices. I'll suppose I had best budget for a larger pistol for her 22nd birthday...
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Random examples of different handgun sizes and one opinion of how they could be categorized.
Colt: New Service, Anaconda
Ruger: Red Hawk
Smith & Wesson: N-Frame
Glock: 17, 21, 22,
Colt: Official Police, Lawman, Python (4-inch or less)
Ruger: Security Six, GP 100 (4-inch or less)
Smith & Wesson: K-frame and L-Frame revolvers (4-inch or less)
Any type of vest pocket .22 or .25
Kel Tec P3AT
Colt: Detective Special, Cobra, Agent
Ruger: SP 101, LCR
Smith & Wesson: J-Frames
Large: over 40 oz.
Medium: under 40 oz.
Small: under 20 oz.
Lets take 9 mm 115 gr or any other given ammo. What weight difference in the gun makes a real difference in felt recoil--assuming same barrel length?
Asked another way, would a P3AT be significantly easier to handle if it had the same outside dimensions but was leaded and weighed 6 ounces more?
Of course, that may vary a "skosh" depending on the grain weights of the bullets in associated ammo types, but that's so small as to be considered negligible.
As subjective as your question is, so are the responses you’re likely to receive, and so here is mine.
For me, every ounce counts but is secondary to my preferred carry piece. I have even changed my ammo from 135 to 110 on occasion. Yes, it all adds up. Some of the high capacity auto-loaders today can easily weight you down enough to make them counter-productive for conceal carry. My personal baseline is 23 ounces plus ammo. I'll seldom carry extra ammo unless I'm really in the mood.
“Monsters are real and so are ghosts. They live inside of us, and sometimes they win.”
~ Stephen King
Yet the Glock 19 with 16 rounds on board is routinely praised as the absolute best combination of size, light weight and capacity in 9mm.Some of the high capacity auto-loaders today can easily weight you down enough to make them counter-productive for conceal carry.
Hope you never have a magazine related failure with that one mag you're carrying at the time...I'll seldom carry extra ammo unless I'm really in the mood.
Using the same make and brand holster for an XD 45 Compact and a G30 I can tell a difference in weight between 6-10 hours definately after 8 hours. The XD is 6 ounces heavier and it's noticable. Even with my good gun belt cinched tight after awhile it will start to twist my pants. The Glock doesn't do this and I find it is also easier to conceal.
Weight is very subjective, and varies from person to person.
I am a petite woman(5'4", 125 lbs.) and my carry gun can be any of the following, Smith & Wesson steel J-frame(19oz), Smith & Wesson steel K-frame(23 oz), Smith & Wesson steel L-frame(37oz), Smith & Wesson steel N-frame(41 oz) or a Kimber 45ACP(28 oz).
I find myself reaching for the K-frame or the L-frame 90% of the time, as the weight is not uncomfortable to me and I feel I shoot them well.
Anything I carry is carried OWB with a good belt. I can't stress the good belt thing enough, if the belt holds the firearm close to your side, it not only conceals better, it carries better as well. Over the past couple months I've trimmed down a bit from being more active and I've been able to tighten the belt one notch and I've noticed I actually feel less of the weight from the guns being held tighter to my hip.
To prove the point of weight being subjective from person to person, hubby decided to try carrying my K-frame this weekend to see how he liked it. We both have identical Binachi belts(no difference there) and I loaned him the gun and my Simply Rugged pancake holster. The test lasted a whole hour, he decided it was just too heavy for him and switched back to his Glock 19, meanwhile I carried the L-frame for 14 hours and wasn't bothered by it at all.
When it comes to what I will carry, my main criteria is the gun itself, it has to go bang everytime, and all of mine do. It also must be accurate in my hand, my revolvers always win over the Kimber. Third criteria, I must be able to hide it and well. Dressed as I usually am in jeans and a T-shirt or sweatshirt, they all hide well enough, though the N-frame is a bit harder to hide, the longer frame rides a bit higher that I like, but a different holster could resolve that issue.
Everybody is different, thus so many choices in firearms and holsters, I'm just really different from most ladies my size.
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You mentioned IWB and also Smartcarry. I know for me height plays as big of a role as anything. I carry a Glock 26 in a Smartcarry holster everyday. I find the 26 easier to carry than my single stack S&W 3913 TSW which is lighter and thinner. My issue is height which may have to do with my size I dont know. I just think when you go to these forms of carry height is more important or as equally important as weight. Also find the 26 shortness easier to conceal IWB because the butt and the sights dont print due to the reduced height.
With a decent holster and a decent belt, I find weight to not be a significant factor. Slimness and sharp edges are.
Is she pro gun on her own or doing it to please you?
Has she shot any of the guns that you listed for her?
Comment: Being the father of 5 grown children I have learned not think for them, but to encourage and offer help when ask.
Wife and daughter and three daughter in laws have all picked their own hand guns and are very happy with, they are not the firearms I would have necessary picked but I am not the one carrying them or shooting them.
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nor the arrow for its swiftness,
nor the warrior for his glory.
I love only that which they defend.
I had the chance recently to fondle and fire a Sig P238. It was amazing! Very light, minimal recoil (especially for the weight), crisp single-action trigger, good sights, very accurate, and even though it is small, it didn't feel like it disappeared in my hand, which is so often the case with a "mouse gun."
Let her pick up one of those, and a Walther PPS as well.
"An armed society is a polite society." -- Robert A. Heinlein
To me all carry guns are compromises. If I had to fight using a handgun, I'd probably want a 20 round 44 magnum. That's not going to happen, so I try to balance the factors.
In my mind; weight, concealability, power (caliber and number of rounds), and shootability (my shootability with the gun.). And of course, reliability is ultimate.
As some have alluded, when in summer wear, certainly weight and concealability will be on top of list. In winter wear, power. In all cases, how well can I shoot the gun.
It may take considerable research and shopping to find one gun. I have several.