This is a discussion on New 9mm CCW for better half within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Sandiesman00 This weekend the better half and I did some window and hands on shopping for a new ccw for her waist. ...
Colt New Agent, Dan Wesson V-Bob, Glock 19,20SF, 23, 26, 27, 29, 30SF, 36, Kahr P380 w/CT, PM9, PM45, CW9(SOLD), Kel-Tec P32, P3AT, PF9(SOLD), Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry II, Stainless Pro TLE/RL II (SOLD), Rohrbaugh R9s, Ruger LCP w/CT, LCR, SP101 S&W J-Frame 638 w/CT, M&P 340 w/CT, Walther PPK/S
My how times have changed.
I can't believe that people complain about a 200 round "break in" period. My general rule of thumb for a new "bottomfeeder" is 500 rounds of 'ball, or whatever I can get my grubby hands on and then 200 rounds of my carry ammo.
When I test the carry ammo I start with a clean gun and any failure between round 1 and round 200 requires that I solve whatever caused that failure and then start over at round 1 again. Because I test my guns this way gives me confidence in them and gives me great practice too. It is however cost prohibitive to using the "latest and greatest" ammo on the market, as I'm not rich.
To borrow a motto from Massad Ayoob I , "Buy my ammo cheap and stack it deep." Just last year, 2009, I shot up the last of my 2004 ammo in one caliber. Not all of my calibers are stacked that deep, but it helps to have a decent supply handy. This is best done by buying in case lots.
I didn't mean to derail your thread, but I wanted to point out that a 200 round "break in" is really nothing, and shouldn't dissuade you from buying a certain gun. As far as the quality of a Kahr, I've only owned one, a PM9. It was 100% after the "break in".
The CW line was designed for the cost conscious. It has the same trigger and internals as the P series. Now they make Trijicon night sights for them. For me that gives the CW series the perfect balance of price and quality.
"Get out of my dreams and into my Kahr"
My Kahr K9 was reliable from round one, with FMJ and Federal 9BPLE; it did not like Cor-bon 115 grain ammo, however. My wife's K9 has been 100% reliable with everything, from round one. These were purchased in the late 1990s.
I don't understand anyone griping about 200 rounds for break-in. I like 500 rounds before I trust a pistol, though I have settled for 400 when ammo was scarce. With a new weapon platform, different from what I have been using, I want 1000-1500 rounds, to get used to the new manual of arms and trigger pull, and don't get really comfortable until I have fired 2000 to 3000 rounds. True unconscious competence, being truly in the groove, comes with several thousand more rounds downrange.
SIGs are again shipping with two magazines. That one-mag thing was short-lived.
I hate to be so blunt, but the best thing you can do is butt out and let her make her decision. I'm sure your wife is perfectly capable of doing that.
The CW is a good gun. Yes, there is a break in period, but she should be shooting it and practicing with it anyway so that she can become comfortable with using it.
Get a bicycle innertube and cut a piece and stretch over the grip. Cheaper than Hogue grip and you can make one for every gun you have.
Glock 26 XD9sc
Ruger SR9c Ruger LCP
What I also do with new semi-autos after the initial take down/inspection, clean and re-lube is hand cycle a bunch of snap caps using every magazine that came with the pistol. I rack the slide as hard as I can and probably run about 200 snap caps through it. Costs nothing more than a bit of time and some lube. I do it in a single night while watching TV. It helps "run" the parts in and mate them for smooth operation. Then I clean/re-lube it again before hitting the range for the first time. I figure if it will reliably feed and eject snap caps as fast as I can rack the slide by hand, I'll have a successful first range outing. If I have problems with this "test", I can expect problems during live fire. This practice has never let me down.
Don't know about all Kimbers, but the one I bought new in 2004 only came with one magazine, so it isn't a new thing. But, that might have been (again) because of the AWB still in place because the 13 round mag had been neutered to 10 rounds. It was a hi-cap double stack in .45acp.
Every Kel-Tec I've purchased only came with one magazine.
The ruger SR9 is light and more slim than a glock. I have one but haven't shot it yet.
I have a PM9 that has been absolutely PERFECT. Even my 115lb girlfriend shot it without a problem. Don't let all the naysayers get you down on a good gun. Lube em good, and shoot the heck outta em.
Better to die on your feet, than to live on your knees.
kahrs aren't bad guns. i certainly suggest single stacks, though im a 1911 person myself. There are plenty of 9mm single stacks out there so do your research, but kahr certainly isnt a bad way to go as long as she has no problem with a dao gun
Georg BüchnerWo die Notwehr aufhört, fängt der Mord an
(Murder begins where self-defense ends)
See the chart. KAHR CW9093 / Specifications
Glock 26 XD9sc
Ruger SR9c Ruger LCP