Moving into the 21st century - Page 4

Moving into the 21st century

This is a discussion on Moving into the 21st century within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I go back and forth on this weekly, all by myself, without you guys making it worse. I love 1911s... I am not old or ...

Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast
Results 46 to 60 of 71

Thread: Moving into the 21st century

  1. #46
    Member Array WilliamWallace's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Vegas
    Posts
    135
    I go back and forth on this weekly, all by myself, without you guys making it worse. I love 1911s... I am not old or old-fashioned, as previously suggested, I just love them.

    But I can't get beyond the fact that I planned on going shooting tomorrow because I need to put another 100 rounds through each of 3 1911s before I can feel comfortable that they will all operate as intended.

    My XD40 will stay in the safe because I KNOW it works... always has. Even when I went through Roger Phillips' class in the Nevada desert with 1200 rounds in 2 days out in the blowing sand and dust, I never cleaned it and it never failed... not once.

    It sucks, I have a hard time giving up on the 1911 because when I put one in my hand, my hand says, "Oh yeah"...

    But the XD just works!

    But oh the 1911...

    See? I actually have the funds to get a $2k 1911, I just don't know if I should do that or get a new XDM, an Eotech for my AR15 and TONS of ammo or another class.


  2. #47
    OD*
    OD* is offline
    Moderator
    Array OD*'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Coopersville
    Posts
    11,567
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911PKR View Post
    Well,... I just taked to General Petras and he prefers the 1911 by far over the M9 but, because the U.S. is a member of NATO, our soldiers are required to carry it. It's NOT their preference,...believe me.
    Looks like the MEU(SOC) is putting out feelers for a new pistol.

    FBO DAILY ISSUE OF MARCH 19, 2010 FBO #3037
    SOURCES SOUGHT


    10 -- M45 MEUSCOC Pistol

    Notice Date 3/17/2010
    Notice Type Sources Sought
    NAICS 332994 — Small Arms Manufacturing
    Contracting Office M67854 MARINE CORPS SYSTEMS COMMAND Quantico, VA
    ZIP Code 00000

    Solicitation Number M6785410R1064

    Response Due 4/16/2010
    Archive Date 4/19/2010

    Point of Contact Erik Halverson, Contract Specialist
    E-Mail Address erik.halverson@usmc.mil
    (erik.halverson@usmc.mil)

    Small Business Set-Aside N/A

    Description THIS IS A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION ONLY AND YOUR RESPONSE IS NOT AN OFFER. THIS REQUEST FOR INFORMATION DOES NOT COMMIT THE GOVERNMENT TO PAY ANY COSTS INCURRED IN PREPARATION OF ANY SUBMISSION TO THIS MARKET SURVEY, OR TO CONTRACT FOR SERVICES.

    The Marine Corps Systems Command (MARCORSYSCOM), Infantry Weapons Systems, Quantico, Virginia, is seeking feedback on the following: The Marine Corps Systems Command (MCSC) is seeking sources to replenish stocks and meet increased demand for its M45 MEUSOC pistol. There is an interest in a commercial-off-the-shelf (COTS) pistol. MCSC is also investigating moving to a full or partial Contractor Logistics Support (CLS) model.

    The pistol's operating environment is characterized by high usage in training, rough handling and environments on deployments, and limited access to repair and maintenance resources during high tempo operations. MCSC may procure up to 4,000 units, of which half will be in heavy use/deployed to combat theaters at any given time.

    MCSC may be interested in a pistol with the following draft characteristics: Semi-automatic,.45 ACP caliber. Single stack magazine must hold at least 7 rounds. It is desirable that the pistol function with the Marine Corps.45 ACP 7-round magazine (NSN 1005-01-373-2774) used in the current MEUSOC pistol. Pistol must have an accessory rail meeting MIL-STD-1913 specifications to mount accessories. It must have a grip safety and an ambidextrous manual safety which are operable by users wearing cold weather and NBC gloves. It has dull, non reflective surfaces and uses standard military colors. It must lock the slide or bolt to the rear after the last round in the magazine is fired. It has a beveled magazine well to facilitate rapid loading. The pistol has a lanyard loop attachment point. It can hold a five shot group to an average of no more than 4 inches by 4 inches at 25 yards. It should be no more than 9 inches in length and weigh less than 4.5 pounds with empty magazine. It has a consistent trigger pull of 5 pounds. The pistol can demonstrate reliability of an average minimum of 300 rounds between stoppages and 5,000 rounds between parts failures. Magazines should remain serviceable for at least 3,000 rounds. The pistol will perform reliably after being subjected to standard MIL SPEC environmental tests, drop tests, and temperature extremes. The pistol must demonstrate "drop in" parts interchangeability, with no milling, filing, or fitting required. There shall be no degradation in performance after parts are exchanged. The pistol is resistant to corrosion and chemicals, and is compatible with current military approved small arms cleaning, lubrication, and preservative and storage agents. The pistol must be marked with an Item Unique Identification (IUID) marking, as defined in MIL-STD-130M.

    The following are specific questions the Government is seeking responses to: 1. If the to-be-published Request for Proposal requires bid samples (estimated to be seven pistols, 6 magazines per pistol, operator and maintainer manuals), are you willing to provide at no cost to the government? 2.Please provide any test data on the durability, reliability and maintainability of your pistol. Are the results from internal testing or independent organizations? 3.What is your current monthly production rate? What is the maximum monthly rate you could manage and still meet quality requirements? How would you ensure quality is not compromised? How long would it take you to meet the maximum rate? 4.What is the market acceptance of your pistol? How long has it been in production? How many units, by year, have been sold? What agencies use your pistol? 5.If you warranty your pistol, what are the terms? How much warranty work is done on candidate pistols? What are the top four warranty issues? 6.Please provide an estimated price for one system consisting of pistol, 6 magazines, and operator manual, assuming a volume buy of your product. 7.Do you provide training or training support to current customers? Please describe. 8.If the MCSC changed to a Contractor Logistics Support strategy, how would you propose to support your pistol? Could you perform a depot level rebuild of your pistol? If so, how many per month could you process? Do you have an estimated cost range to perform rebuild? All contractors who provide goods/services to the DoD must be registered in the Central Contractor Register (CCR). Online Certifications and Representations at (ORCA), http://orca.bpn.gov, will also be required. Failure to comply with ORCA registration may make an offeror ineligible for award.

    This notice is NOT a request for competitive proposals and no solicitation is currently available. However, interested parties may identify their interest and capability to meet the requirements by providing electronically their commercial/non-developmental brochures or other literature that includes answers to the above-mentioned questions as well as cost and availability data to Erik Halverson at erik.halverson@usmc.mil no later than 4:00 PM Eastern Standard Time on Friday, 16 April, 2010. Companies that desire to submit by mail should address their above information to Marine Corps Systems Command, Infantry Weapons Systems, Attn: Erik Halverson, 2200 Lester Street -Bldg 2203, Quantico, VA 22134-6050. NO TELEPHONE CALLS WILL BE ACCEPTED. Contracting Office Address: M67854 MARINE CORPS SYSTEMS COMMAND Quantico,
    VA Point of Contact(s): Erik Halverson
    https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&m...35f36&_cview=0
    "The pistol, learn it well, carry it always ..." ~ Jeff Cooper

    "Terrorists: They hated you yesterday, they hate you today, and they will hate you tomorrow. End the cycle of hatred, don’t give them a tomorrow."

  3. #48
    VIP Member Array jonconsiglio's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Corpus Christi, Texas
    Posts
    3,172
    Excuse me for a minute.... I have to take a step outside and puke.

    Seriously though, I'm glad you found what works for you. That's all that matters!
    Proven combat techniques may not be flashy and may require a bit more physical effort on the part of the shooter. Further, they may not win competition matches, but they will help ensure your survival in a shooting or gunfight on the street. ~Paul Howe

  4. #49
    VIP Member Array jonconsiglio's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Corpus Christi, Texas
    Posts
    3,172
    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamWallace View Post
    See? I actually have the funds to get a $2k 1911, I just don't know if I should do that or get a new XDM, an Eotech for my AR15 and TONS of ammo or another class.
    You can buy my Executive Carry when I switch to the PDP in a couple months..... :-D
    Proven combat techniques may not be flashy and may require a bit more physical effort on the part of the shooter. Further, they may not win competition matches, but they will help ensure your survival in a shooting or gunfight on the street. ~Paul Howe

  5. #50
    Distinguished Member Array razor02097's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    1,974
    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    I'm trading the model T for a Ferrari.
    OMG a Glock is NOT a Ferrari! More like a VW thing... built well, runs great, looks ugly as sin, and you either love it or hate it.


    Besides a Ferrari requires a lot of maintenance and isn't 100% reliable. So in a sense you insulted Glock in reliability and Ferrari in looks.
    Last edited by razor02097; April 9th, 2010 at 09:26 AM. Reason: spealin
    There is something about firing 4,200 thirty millimeter rounds/min that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

  6. #51
    VIP Member Array glockman10mm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Kentucky
    Posts
    9,390
    Just having a little fun guys. They are both great guns. Let the contraversy rage on.

  7. #52
    VIP Member Array gottabkiddin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    North Georgia
    Posts
    7,047
    I found my perfect carry pistol to be a Glock 26, period. I have other Glocks and pistols too, and I can buy pretty much what ever platform and make I want, but I want value for $s spent, and for me the Glock platform is one if not the best I've found for overall value and reliability.

    IMO, once you get to a level of quality that the top manufacturers are at, it really comes down to preference.

    Good move IMO.
    "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." – Luke 22:36

    "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." – Thomas Jefferson

  8. #53
    Member Array GLOCKREAPER's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Idaho
    Posts
    125
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911PKR View Post
    They've been battle proven! How bout' the others?


    More pics of Glocks in the hands of US Military, especially SF - Glock Talk
    Glock "Perfection" is not just a slogan; it is truth in advertising.

  9. #54
    VIP Member Array gottabkiddin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    North Georgia
    Posts
    7,047
    Quote Originally Posted by razor02097 View Post
    OMG a Glock is NOT a Ferrari! More like a VW thing... built well, runs great, looks ugly as sin, and you either love it or hate it.
    I agree, except it's a Chevy 4X4, and it eats the Ferrari's lunch AND dinner.
    "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." – Luke 22:36

    "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." – Thomas Jefferson

  10. #55
    Senior Member Array Frogbones's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    967
    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post
    I am soooo tired of people whining about grip angles.

    If you compare the grip angles on pistols designed for target shooting, you will find they are closer to the angle on a Glock than they are to the angle on a 1911. Gee, I wonder why that is?

    Seriously, I can fire 1911s, Glock, Xds, etc just fine. Index your bloody trigger finger along the slide, use it to point at the target, and you will be fine, regardless of the darn grip angle!

    Grrrrrr!!!
    Can't agree more....I have smaller hands and never had a bugger with the angle of any grip. Maybe the width...but not angle.


    Anyhoo... I also went from a 1911 (Kimber UCII, SA 1911-A1 GI) to a Glock....and like the choice I've made. Still LOVE the 1911...but the Glock 30SF is by far the best for me to use as my EDC plus I get extra rounds of .45acp in a better carrying, more reliable package.
    Last edited by Frogbones; April 9th, 2010 at 10:31 AM. Reason: Spellin error.....

  11. #56
    Distinguished Member Array razor02097's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    1,974
    Quote Originally Posted by gottabkiddin View Post
    I agree, except it's a Chevy 4X4, and it eats the Ferrari's lunch AND dinner.
    Chevy is American... Glock isn't, I was thinking of a car the Germans built that was reliable but ooglie

    Ferrari is built to be fast and pretty. A status symbol of sorts. Glock? NSM
    There is something about firing 4,200 thirty millimeter rounds/min that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

  12. #57
    OD*
    OD* is offline
    Moderator
    Array OD*'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Coopersville
    Posts
    11,567
    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    Over the years I have owned every model from every manafacturers both custom and factory...
    Every model and manufacturer and every custom maker?
    "The pistol, learn it well, carry it always ..." ~ Jeff Cooper

    "Terrorists: They hated you yesterday, they hate you today, and they will hate you tomorrow. End the cycle of hatred, don’t give them a tomorrow."

  13. #58
    VIP Member Array glockman10mm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Kentucky
    Posts
    9,390
    Quote Originally Posted by OD* View Post
    Every model and manufacturer and every custom maker?
    Brown,Bauer,Wilson,Vickers,C&S,Riggs,and a used Novak. That may not be all, but I think it's enough to draw conclusions on.

  14. #59
    OD*
    OD* is offline
    Moderator
    Array OD*'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Coopersville
    Posts
    11,567
    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    Brown,Bauer,Wilson,Vickers,C&S,Riggs,and a used Novak. That may not be all, but I think it's enough to draw conclusions on.
    I assume you mean Baer, Bauer hasn't/doesn't make a 1911 platform pistol.
    "The pistol, learn it well, carry it always ..." ~ Jeff Cooper

    "Terrorists: They hated you yesterday, they hate you today, and they will hate you tomorrow. End the cycle of hatred, don’t give them a tomorrow."

  15. #60
    VIP Member Array glockman10mm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Kentucky
    Posts
    9,390
    Thank you for pointing out my spelling error. I see you like Colt and use it as your avatar. Do you know William B Keys? .

Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast

Sponsored Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. My 21st Birthday.
    By thephanatik in forum General Firearm Discussion
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: October 4th, 2010, 03:12 PM
  2. (Important Pro-Gun Bill Moving Forward in Arizona!) AZ moving in the right direction
    By mi2az in forum The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: May 9th, 2009, 02:04 AM
  3. Captain Kirk in the 21st Century...
    By hudsonvalley in forum Off Topic & Humor Discussion
    Replies: 39
    Last Post: October 24th, 2008, 01:16 PM
  4. 21st Century Survival gear
    By rachilders in forum Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions
    Replies: 25
    Last Post: May 11th, 2007, 09:08 AM
  5. Handgun for a 21st Birthday present?
    By TN_Mike in forum General Firearm Discussion
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: December 24th, 2006, 11:12 PM

Search tags for this page

bauer 25 acp jeff cooper commint

Click on a term to search for related topics.