This is a discussion on brand reliability/trust/quality within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Interesting read...if it's mechanical, it can fail....
Interesting read...if it's mechanical, it can fail.
Proverbs 27:12 says: “The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.”
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Any pistol CAN fail, not all pistols DO fail.
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Enjoyed reading the thread, wife and I both CC Kel Tec P3ATs with well over 500 rounds through each and no problems at all.
Some folks just can not stand one brand or another only to find out that any company can make a lemon.
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Very interesting read. I had an experience recently where I ordered a conversion kit from Sig for my 250, and when I asked why it takes 6 weeks, after all, they are the manufacturer, the reply was: "we don't make these things in house, we have vendors for many different parts".
Too light for heavy work, too heavy for light work!
Good example of inattention to quality, lack of concern about the long-term brand impact, and an utterly shameful exhibit of gross disregard for life in the case of defensive firearms. We're seeing such things throughout our want-it-now-but-it-better-be-free type society.The result is, throughout the industry, reduced attention to quality.
Both companies I worked for, when I started, had a strict policy of test-firing every single pistol that left the factory floor. Each gun was subjected to two or three full magazines of shooting before it was given the stamp of approval.
By the time I left each job, both companies had stopped test-firing pistols destined for the commercial (non-law enforcement, non-military) markets … and in some cases, they stopped testing the LE guns, as well.
It'll have the obvious and predictable result. No way around it.
Good read,.....anything that is mechanical can fail. a good friend of mine just bought a Rossi snubby 357....970 I think, not sure on the model. Him and I shot it for the first time, it was new......shot 100 rounds, seemed ok, I noticed the cylinder was stiff in rotating a couple of times. When he cleaned it, it wouldnt shut (cylinder)...he was concerned he did something wrong, brought it to work with him, I looked it over, couldnt shut it either and could not see any issues where it was hanging up.
Odd, but he called Rossi and they gave him the fed-ex info to have it picked up. Here is where it bothered me. I pushed him in this direction based on his price point and the fact that it was a bit bigger and more comfy as it is a snubby 357 and gave him that round flexability. It took them 6 weeks (I have to believe that is a combination of the number of repairs and/or the amount of resources in the repair dept...either way, not a good sign)....they had to replace the cylinder crane and extractor...said it was bent. How did that get past quality control? Yes it seemed to function "ok" for us with the 38 wadcutters and a bit of +p factory ammo, and they said it was nothing we did (duh!) but is this really acceptable on a new gun and from a "gun" manufacturer (consider the use of the item you are building!).
So needless to say that although I know anything can and may fail, I am going with first tier manufacturers from now on (yes, they can have issues from time to time but less likely from the quality systems they have in place). Darn it too because I like the looks of some of the Rossi lever actions.....and the Taurus pocket 9's........etc....etc...
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I find what was written to be true. As someone else mentioned, not everyone shoots regularly. I bought my Dad an M&P9c and my younger brother went with me to put in the first 100 rounds. Before we went, I mentioned I wanted to put at least 300 rounds downrange to make sure it was functioning properly and his comment was "Whoa!". He thought THAT was a lot. My Dad has two revolvers that he's had for years and I'd honestly be surprised if they have 50 rounds between the two of them.
i'll say the same thing i tell my automobile customers to try to make them understand why a part failed on their car...
every part on a car fails...it just doesnt happen on every car...
the response to "i never had this problem with my chevy" is.....have you had any problems with your chevy that you havent had with this car? (usually followed by "yes" and my follow-up being...well then you better call chevy and complain then...
people tend to treat a problem they have as something worse than anyone else has ever experienced because it affected them and generally thats the only person they really care about...
thanks for the great taurus mag shipping example...maybe how it was handled by the 2 different parties was the difference between the 2 experiences...i find it happens more often than not that way...there are people who approach problems with realistic expectations and courtesy...then there are people who approach problems with demands...
In 35+ years of shooting I never had a failure with a revolver but I can’t say that with a couple of auto-loaders I’ve owned along the way. Just dumb luck I suppose…
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