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    Any experts on German symbols.

    I picked up my H&K P2000SK today and very pleased. Very similar in size to Glock 26 and almost identical in weight. The trigger is very nice. I will shoot it tomorrow or Wednesday and do a range report.
    At the junction of the slide and frame it is about an eighth inch wider than the Glock but everywhere else it looks narrower. The grip is better because it is flat on the back of the grip instead of the rounded back on the Glock. It does come with a replacement peace if anyone likes the rounded back on the Glock, which I don't.

    I was pleasantly surprised to find it fits my Glock cross breed and sky ops holsters. So I don't have to spend another bunch of money to get holstered.

    I was surprised to see several symbols on the slide and grip that are identical to symbols on my Walther PPK. So their probably not manufacturer but something to do with where their built.

    There is an antler with a t or cross at one end.
    There is an AI.
    In several places there is some complex design that I can only describe as looking like an owl. It sits on top of a capital N.

    Just curious, anyone know what these mean?

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    They are PROOF MARKS.

    The antler means it came from ULM Germany........
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    Example, on a P2000SK:

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    The German eagle over the "N" means it was tested with nitrocellulose based propellant (meaning modern smokeless powder, not black powder). The Ulm symbol means that's where the proofing was done---in Germany the tests are conducted regionally. I don't know about the AI, I'm afraid, but I bet a search on "heckler koch proof marks" would be helpful.

    My SIG P226, by the way, is proofed for smokeless powder, city of Kiel.
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    The AI is a date code, means the gun was made in 2008.

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    From the HK 'faq' web page

    This works for HK. Don't know if other German companies follow suit.

    How can I tell what year my USP was made?

    The date code is located on the Left hand side of the pistol and is represented by two letters. Below is the date coding chart. The letter will correspond with the number.
    A - 0
    B - 1
    C - 2
    D - 3
    E - 4
    F - 5
    G - 6
    H - 7
    I - 8
    K - 9
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    Oh, duh. SIG uses two-letter date codes on their German made frames, too. Same codes, too, I am pretty sure.
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    This might help some.

    The Symbols on HK Firearms
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    this thread got me lookin at my glock's proofmarks......hk has much cooler ones lol

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    Thanks. My PPK says ULM Germany so that makes sense. I appreciate the help.

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    If anyone is interested, here's a site that identifies proofmarks.
    https://store.bluebookinc.com/Info/P...Proofmarks.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazzaerexys View Post
    Oh, duh. SIG uses two-letter date codes on their German made frames, too. Same codes, too, I am pretty sure.
    WADR, not quite...

    A=0 thru H=7 and K=9 are the same, BUT...

    German Sig/Sauers are proofed in Kiel which skips the "I" and uses the "J" for the number 8, example; "JH" = "87" for 1987.

    H&K and "German" Walthers are both proofed in Ulm which uses the "I" for the number "8" and skips the "J", example; "IF" = "85" for 1985.

    Go figure ...

    BTW, older "German" Walthers were proofed with the Ulm "Antler" followed by a 2 digit number indicating year, example "72" = 1972

    Other countries use/used completely different 2 letter to 2 digit date codes;

    Berettas produced in Italy used a random series of 2 letters to equate to digits, example AU = '89.

    In Belgium, the P35/BHP use 2 letters following the model/caliber designators of 245, 510, 511, etc. and preceding the sequential production number, example; a serial number of 245RR64270 = 9mmP, manufactured in '77 with production number 64270.

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