Are you able to get Kahr there?
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OK, I have my HK P2000 for winter (7-8 months here) OWB carry, HD and range use, but doesnt conceal too well for me IWB, even though Im 6'3 and 230 pounds. Its great by the way - accurate, reliable, soft recoiling and confidence inspiring.
So Im looking for a smaller piece for the IWB this summer. Not too much to choose from in the shops here that manage to fit my largish hand. The Walther PPS (9mm) is one, the S&W Model 60 2 incher (Ladysmith, but that doesnt bother me) is the other. No chance to shoot either before buying. Cant really trial carry either.
Very different guns, but similar price - about double that of US retail so I dont want to make a mistake. Kinda pulled towards the J frame just because it is a revolver and so different from the HK and has all the traditional values of a snubbie.
The PPS seems slimmer and ligher though - cant directly compare decause its in a different store.
What do you think?
Are you able to get Kahr there?
Mossberg 88, Saiga 12, FNAR & PS90, SKS, SKS Paratrooper & MAK-90, Marlin 60, 91/30, Browning A bolt II, Kahr PM9, Hi Point C9, Glock 20 , Walther P22, Colt LE6920 & Cobra S&W 629-1, 24-3 & K-22, HK VP9, Para Expert, Seecamp 32, Super Blackhawk, Win Mod 70, Savage 11, PSA 18", Ishapore 2A1.
Given those two choices, I'd go with the PPS. Reason, a few more rounds. However, if you could get a S&W Airweight j frame, that's what I'd suggest because you can easily pocket carry the airweight. The PPS is too big, and the 60 is too heavy for pocket carry.
Too light for heavy work, too heavy for light work!
Get and carry both.
The PPS IWB and the Revolver in the pocket with a Mika Pocket Holster. I'm inclined to think that if you "dressed around the gun" and used a good quality holster and belt you would have no trouble carrying your HK.
I myself prefer to carry a "duty size" weapon off duty if given a choice. For me, right now, that means a Glock 19 and a Glock 26. I also prefer to carry two guns, but that's just me. Having had need of a BUG before, my minimum number of guns is two, unless I'm working. Then my employer tells me what and how many I can carry.
Some of my off duty carry combo's have been:
Glcok 19/Glock 26
I'd much rather carry the gun I'm better trained and more accurate with. Thus the "duty size" handgun as a primary and the smaller one as a BUG.
Your question presents an interesting conundrum, as I think of a J-Frame as a Pocket/Ankle Gun. The PPS isn't a Pocket Gun, IMO. Thus if you carry it on the belt, and can conceal it I would think you wouldn't have much trouble hiding something a little larger. I love carrying a gun in my pocket too, and that's where the J-Frame shines IMO. You can have you hand on the gun and nobody the wiser.
It's summertime here, is for eight months out of twelve. I manage to carry a Glock 19/26 with little difficulty. For what it's worth I would be looking at my carry gear instead of a different gun, but that's just me.
Take care and stay safe.
Last edited by BikerRN; April 27th, 2010 at 03:06 PM. Reason: more info
I have a PPS and a Taurus Model 85. I can say that the PPS is much more comfortable to carry. If I had my choice, I would choose the PPS.
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The PPS disappears in a SmartCarry very nicely and I almost purchased one. However, a Walther can be finicky at times and some gunsmiths will tell you that, if asked. For me, I prefer a j-frame. Its simple, and I like that these days.
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I'd go with the J.
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i'm with sabre...i carry a 60 .357 3" with no discomfort at all
j all the way......
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How about ammo availability there, would that push you in either direction?
I think either will do the job fine, but I would lean toward the PPS. I have one, and like the similar mag release of the PPS to the HK USP that I have. I also own a jframe 640.. nice little revolver, but I would still choose to carry the PPS over the J.
I have a PPS (in 40) and love it...have a 642...and honestly, the cylinder is the problem, as thick as any gun out there.....my pocket carry is a LCP or a Kahr PM9......but the PPS is as thin as the Kahr, just longer and taller, although I have pocket carried it....so the PPS is the answer, if you could try both, I would think you would come to the same conclusion.
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I carry a M-60 after my wife took my SR9. It too is a "LadySmith" but with a Hogue grip and a couple rubber bands (old LEO) it works just fine. I DO shoot 38 Federal +P+ in it..no problem. Throw in a speed strip or 2 and ready to go.
I vote J frame if you are familiar with revolvers and its DA. Add an HKS speed loader also.
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