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    I'm considering a Kahr cw.40. for ccw.I also looked at the 9mm model.I can't seem to decide between the two.I have tons of 9mm ammo but thought maybe the .40 would be a better choice.How do they differ in recoil and general performance? Any and all help welcome and appreciated!!!
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    I have the CW9, not the 40. I do have an XD40sc and I feel like the recoil on the CW9 is less than that of the XD40sc, so I could imagine what the recoil on the CW40 could be since it is a lighter smaller gun.
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    I think it'll be mostly a matter of which makes you feel confident in your choice. Sounds like you trust 9mm, since you have it. If so, go with the 9, if not go with the 40. Either way, practice!

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    Thanks guys for the info! I'm leaning towards the 9 because of my ammo stock,never fired a .40 but I'll bet recoil is not very manageable in such a small gun like tkruf said.I have a NIB XD9SC that I'm selling,$600.00 with IWB and new in box fobus paddle holster,plus 100 rds ammo.If interested PM me.Leaning towards the Kahr because of better concealment and lighter.
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    I love my CW9. I find that my chosen self defense ammo, Speer Gold Dot 124 grain +p, is about as snappy as I care to handle. I hear that .40 caliber is much snappier, so I can't imagine myself changing to the CW40.
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    I have a PM9

    and really enjoy shooting it. Like you a have a fair amount of 9mm ammo and feel confident with a 9mm that I am able to shoot frequently.

    If you get the $ for the XD you really should consider a P9 or a PM9. I don't have any real experience with the CW but I love my PM9.

    Kahrs are great guns.
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    I pondered the same decision and went the PM9. I already had another full size 9mm, so my ammo was compatible. Some may say otherwise, but I'm glad I didn't get the .40. The recoil on the PM9 is very snappy, so much so that I added a Hogue grip. The polymer alone was tearing a blister in my hand. To each their own, but I'm very comfortable with my choice.

    Also, if you're considering the Kahr, I'm sure you'll hear all kinds of stories about their "reliability". Take it from someone who owned one of these problematic boogers, Kahr's customer service is top notch. If there is a problem, they will make it right.
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    Thanks so much for your input.I have a taurus 85 ultralite for BUG incase anything happens tomy EDC piece which would be the Kahr.Never go out without your weapon,no matter what it might be is better than none at all.
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    I have a Kahr 9mm, model is PM9094 (3" Barrel)
    Black polymer frame, matte blackened stainless steel slide----anyways, I'll echo what ezenbrowntow wrote, the recoil is a bit "snappy", and I will be buying some grips soon.

    As far as reliability, kahr recommends 200-250 rounds for breaking in the gun....and during my first 200 or so, I had a couple of FTF/FTE, almost guaranteed to be ammo related, Wolf & PMC Starfire.
    Since then, I've shot another 350 rounds, all Hornady, WWB, & Speer Gold Dot with zero problems.

    This gun is easy to conceal, and with a couple of extra mags is almost unnoticeable when out on the town.
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    I have both a CW9 and a K40. As I mentioned in a recent post, the recoil in the CW9 is a pussycat. You know the gun is going off, but compared to standard .38s in a 16 oz snub the CW9 is easy on the hand.

    The .40 in the all-steel K40 gets your attention, as the recoil is definitely snappy. The rubber grips help keep it manageable, and the low bore axis relative to your hand helps minimize muzzle flip. For me, the K40 is more comfortable to shoot than the larger Glock 23.

    The bottom line for me is that if I had to pick one to keep for personal protection, it would be the CW9. Easier to hit with, lighter to carry, and holds one more round then the .40 variants.
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    Ahhh I love a good caliber war! Heres my OPINION. 9mm. I'm a fan of 9mm, especially in small, light guns. Fast followup shots, high speed, more capacity, cheaper to buy ammo/train. Kahr's are fantastic pistols. Just heed the out of the box cleaning/lube, and break it in with the recommended 200 rounds. After a little love and attention, that gun is sweet

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    Here's a post on breaking in a Kahr from Kahr's user forum:

    Proper prep of a new kahr
    Here are some helpful suggestions to set your new kahr up before heading to the range as compiled by Jocko, with the help of the forum members.

    #1. Read and then Reread your owners manual. There is some real MUST DO's in there that if you don't you will have issues.
    #2 clean ur new gun, dont' assume Kahr did it, They don't and there could be crude in places that it should not be. Take that slide off and that little hole in the bottom of the slide, that is your clean out hole into the striker channel, Insert your spray cleaner nozzle in there and spray away. Fluids will come out both ends, Now with one finger pull back on the striker at the back of the slide and continue to spray in that hole and also spray clean from that breech hole also. You have now cleaned that striker channel without dissambly, DO NOT OIL THAT STRKER CHANNEL. Refer to the kahr tech section and the 2nd sticky down is KAHR LUBE DIAGRAM. Point #9 shows that clean out hole and this is the best lube chart for any semi auto to..
    #3 grease the slide rails or if you prefer a certain gun oil, fine. just lube the slide, and better yet go to the kahr tech section and hit on the kahr lube section. This will save alot of explaining. If you have a dremel, I would suggest a good polish on the already smooth feed ramp and inside the chamber also..U can't hurt anything buy a nice polish job. The lube chart is the 2nd sticky on this KAHR TECH thread. It is simply the best ..
    #4. Now sit there with an empty gun and no magazine and rack the slide about 500 times as fast as u can, they helps break in without the bang thing.
    #5 Take your magazines apart and recheck to see that they are properly put together right to. then if you have some 600+ grit auto sand paper just roll it up like a pencil and polish the under side of the feed lips on your magazines. Do not oil the magazines, wipe with a silicone cloth at best.
    #6 to check to see if you have no issues with the slide lock lever hitting the rounds in the magazine, take the slide off and insert the slide lock lever and then reinsert a loaded magazine and see if that top round is hitting the slide lock lever and moving it upward. That is a NO NO.
    #7 break in the gun with fmj ammo, forget about the defense stuff until it is running right, Practice close, stay 7 yards and under, get a good grip on the gun and watch your thumb to see that it is not accidently hitting the slide lock lever and causing premature slide locking open. This is a known cause of premature slide locking open..
    #8, Don't worry about the accuracty thing until you have the gun running reliable with both types of ammo. Sometimes the 200 rounds break in is necessary, Most of the time, if the gun is pre-prepped properly it does not.
    #9 Be aware that you can limp wrist these little guns far easier than the bigger ones. Keep your shooting at 7 yards and under
    #10 Kahrs have a looooong but totally smoother trigger system, GET USED TO IT. More rounds down range the better your groups will be to. remember you and the gun have to mate up also correctly for all things to work right. A very good test of your shooting skills with a kahr is to buy a half dozen snap caps and throw them in with 30 rounds of fmj range fodder. Let someone load your magazine for u, so u don't know if any snap caps are in that magazine. I can assure u, it will show ur shooting errors BIGTIME..
    We will continue to add to this section in hopes that later on down the road we can just direct a new owner to this thread and not have to keep
    repeating ourselves

    Good luck and just shoot it like you stole it.. and many Thanks to those who have contirbuted...

    (Proper prep of a new kahr - KahrTalk Forums)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mfcmb View Post
    Here's a post on breaking in a Kahr from Kahr's user forum:

    Proper prep of a new kahr
    Here are some helpful suggestions to set your new kahr up before heading to the range as compiled by Jocko, with the help of the forum members.

    #1. Read and then Reread your owners manual. There is some real MUST DO's in there that if you don't you will have issues.
    #2 clean ur new gun, dont' assume Kahr did it, They don't and there could be crude in places that it should not be. Take that slide off and that little hole in the bottom of the slide, that is your clean out hole into the striker channel, Insert your spray cleaner nozzle in there and spray away. Fluids will come out both ends, Now with one finger pull back on the striker at the back of the slide and continue to spray in that hole and also spray clean from that breech hole also. You have now cleaned that striker channel without dissambly, DO NOT OIL THAT STRKER CHANNEL. Refer to the kahr tech section and the 2nd sticky down is KAHR LUBE DIAGRAM. Point #9 shows that clean out hole and this is the best lube chart for any semi auto to..
    #3 grease the slide rails or if you prefer a certain gun oil, fine. just lube the slide, and better yet go to the kahr tech section and hit on the kahr lube section. This will save alot of explaining. If you have a dremel, I would suggest a good polish on the already smooth feed ramp and inside the chamber also..U can't hurt anything buy a nice polish job. The lube chart is the 2nd sticky on this KAHR TECH thread. It is simply the best ..
    #4. Now sit there with an empty gun and no magazine and rack the slide about 500 times as fast as u can, they helps break in without the bang thing.
    #5 Take your magazines apart and recheck to see that they are properly put together right to. then if you have some 600+ grit auto sand paper just roll it up like a pencil and polish the under side of the feed lips on your magazines. Do not oil the magazines, wipe with a silicone cloth at best.
    #6 to check to see if you have no issues with the slide lock lever hitting the rounds in the magazine, take the slide off and insert the slide lock lever and then reinsert a loaded magazine and see if that top round is hitting the slide lock lever and moving it upward. That is a NO NO.
    #7 break in the gun with fmj ammo, forget about the defense stuff until it is running right, Practice close, stay 7 yards and under, get a good grip on the gun and watch your thumb to see that it is not accidently hitting the slide lock lever and causing premature slide locking open. This is a known cause of premature slide locking open..
    #8, Don't worry about the accuracty thing until you have the gun running reliable with both types of ammo. Sometimes the 200 rounds break in is necessary, Most of the time, if the gun is pre-prepped properly it does not.
    #9 Be aware that you can limp wrist these little guns far easier than the bigger ones. Keep your shooting at 7 yards and under
    #10 Kahrs have a looooong but totally smoother trigger system, GET USED TO IT. More rounds down range the better your groups will be to. remember you and the gun have to mate up also correctly for all things to work right. A very good test of your shooting skills with a kahr is to buy a half dozen snap caps and throw them in with 30 rounds of fmj range fodder. Let someone load your magazine for u, so u don't know if any snap caps are in that magazine. I can assure u, it will show ur shooting errors BIGTIME..
    We will continue to add to this section in hopes that later on down the road we can just direct a new owner to this thread and not have to keep
    repeating ourselves

    Good luck and just shoot it like you stole it.. and many Thanks to those who have contirbuted...

    (Proper prep of a new kahr - KahrTalk Forums)
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    I think the 4sw is too much for the cw 40 series, get the 9mm. Mine was a problem child that I ended up trading off for a sig. Besides the feeding issues the slide would not return to battery and the muzzle flip was awful.
    I shot a friends cw 9 and it was much more controllable thou it also had feeding problems.
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    I have a Kahr 9mm, model is PM9094 (3" Barrel)
    Black polymer frame, matte blackened stainless steel slide----anyways, I'll echo what ezenbrowntow wrote, the recoil is a bit "snappy", and I will be buying some grips soon.
    I am picking up a PM9 this weekend. I saw at the Kahr forum where they they slide a piece of inner tube over the grips...I am going to try it.
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