Ultimate 1911

This is a discussion on Ultimate 1911 within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Forget your Kimbers, your Springfields, your Ed Browns, and your Colt 1911's. Larry Vickers, 15 year veteran with 1st SFOD-D (Delta Force) has been a ...

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    Ultimate 1911

    Forget your Kimbers, your Springfields, your Ed Browns, and your Colt 1911's. Larry Vickers, 15 year veteran with 1st SFOD-D (Delta Force) has been a world renowned 1911 gunsmith for some time, and has trained more TIER ONE Special Operations operators than any one else in the military arsenal of spec ops marksmanship training. Now he's put his hand and his heart into a custom 1911 with the aid of Night Hawk Custom gun works.

    Prior to becoming an assaulter with Delta Force, Larry Vickers spent his military assignments with 5th SFG (ABN), 10th SFG (ABN) and 11th SFG (ABN) Reserves. He, along with 22 other Delta Force operators rescued Kurt Muse from Modelo Prison during operation "Just Cause" in what was the first successful American military hostage rescue since the rescue in Japan by the 6th Rangers in WWII. Kurt Muse was an CIA operative captured by the PDF in Panama.

    With a resume like this, who wouldn't want to train with, operate with, and take thier cues for a sidearm from such a person. Night Hawk custion gun works is proud to have a joint colabrative effort with Larry Vickers on the Vickers Custom 1911. With years of 1911 experience, years of custom gun work for the operators of Delta, and since being named as a member of the Pistol Smiths of America club the Vickers Custom 1911 is possibly the only pistol that I'll purchase this year for my collection. I had been contemplating building my own with some of the same cues from Larry's past guns, but this make it easier to just order one with every thing I would want in the first place.

    The specs can be found at www.vickerstactical.com the price is $2,875
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    Interesting but not super special that i see Sorry ... Also why would i need a visual on fire indictor? If safety is off its on fire it is a 1911 after all

    For the price i dont really see what it give over other guns of lower price from nighthawk or others..

    But if you get one post pics and let us know how it shoots

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    Very nice 1911 but Larry does not do any of the work on the gun.So to me it is just another Night Hawk.
    Have Fun and Shoot Straight !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bud White
    Interesting but not super special that i see Sorry ... Also why would i need a visual on fire indictor? If safety is off its on fire it is a 1911 after all

    For the price i dont really see what it give over other guns of lower price from nighthawk or others..

    But if you get one post pics and let us know how it shoots


    I guess thats why inspection upon closer look (internals) is too much to ask huh??
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    Personally I'm not a 1911 guy so I've never seen the point in the $2000+ custom guns. Nice that the CT grips are included (per the pictures).
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    Talking A few other options... Pocket knife just because it seems "Mandatory to add a Knife"

    (Except for the .380 Gov't. Model W/ Factory antique Medallion Ivories!):


    Left to Right, Top to Bottom:
    Kimber Custom CDP II, Sig P245, S&W M60, Rohrbaugh R9s, Early 1970's 3" S&W M36, (Colection piece not carried; Colt Mark IV Series 80 .380acp Government Model), Case XX pocket knife.. , LWS380 Seecamp, K-T (2nd Gen.) P3AT, K-T (2nd Gen.) P32; SIG p228 @ Sig shop now being "Re-fitted from DAO", to DA/SA config.
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    Everybody has an opinion of the 'best' gun.....

    The one you posted looks pretty good............& it may be your ultimate or best.

    I posted my best (currently ) in a recent thread here:
    http://www.combatcarry.com/vbulletin...ad.php?t=10306

    Mine was built at TTi...
    http://www.ttiintl.com/

    ...by "Trapper" John Setelin. He is a survivor of the battle at Ia Drang (Valley of Death) in Novemeber 1965, the subject of the movie 'We Were Soldiers' with Mel Gibson. He was one of the 400 US soldiers, surrounded by 2000 enemy soldiers.

    He has 40 years of experience building & shooting small arms. He builds custom AR-15 for match shooters as well as anybody else's needs. A lot of custom gun makers send him their products to finish.

    So there are a lot of good gunmakers out there with impressive resumes.
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    If, L.A. Vickers built it personally, it would be more interesting to me. As Bud said, it's a Nighthawk, it just happens to be spec'd by Vickers.
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    No matter how great a weapon is,I really hate to see them "overmarketed".

    I'm sure a $3000. gun is $3000. worth of gun. For some people a MilSpec is the gun for them. To allya'll(plural for ya'll) I'd say "go fer it". -------

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skygod


    I guess thats why inspection upon closer look (internals) is too much to ask huh??
    To each there own but if its not built by larry himself its a nighthawk Plan and simple that they are pimping his name on.

    Ill stick with my other 1911's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bud White
    To each there own but if its not built by larry himself its a nighthawk Plan and simple that they are pimping his name on.

    Ill stick with my other 1911's
    The point being.............that Larry has had his hands on the project and it's made to his personal specs, not Night Hawk "Pimping" his name on one of thier pistols. I'll see Larry personally in two weeks and have been promised to fire the prototype (pictures) prior to purchasing one with some slight modifications that are not in the pics I supplied.

    Maybe Larry Vickers is the "Flavor of the month" however, with what is available today, at present, this 1911 will surely be one that the major manufacturers wished they could offer!! If you want Larry to build you one personally, then expect to spend $5,000 for it. With this offering, you get Larry's input, and his stamp of approval as HIS without the additional cost of his personal labor.

    I'll take that anyday over an NIB Kimber, or an STI without even having to fire it first. Too bad it's not offered in 9x23, then it would be worth even more to me.
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    As said let us know how it is

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    Skygod, The above pistol must be really something.This with respect to Larry Vickers.

    If he lends his technical advise it's $2875. If he actually builds me a pistol himself it's $5000.

    You state that,"with what is available today,at present,this 1911 will surely be one that the major manufacturers wished they could offer!!" Sorry sir,i just can't agree with that. If Larry built me a weapon I do not believe that it would be that much better than a Wilson,Brown,STI,Baer,or any of the other $2000-$2500 weapons out there. If I could talk a top ranked IPSC or IDPA shooter into building me a 1911,how much would they charge me? Would it be as good or better than the Vickers/Nighthawk?

    With respect to Mr.Vickers past,why would that have the degree of importance that you obviously think that it does in him building a weapon $3000 better than another high(er) end 1911 builder? Frankly sir,I'm just not that easy to impress.

    You stated that you would take his weapon anyday over a NIB Kimber,or STI without having to fire it first. Suppose the Kimber or STI or any of the above mentioned weapons was what I felt that I really needed in a CCW. Would you suggest that I still give Larry/Nighthawk another $3000-$4000 of my money? If so then for what? I feel that the weapon that you are buying is high priced at $2875. At $5000. it would be grossly overpriced.

    How much would you pay for a weapon that you could absolutely bet your life on in a combat situation? My answer(at least for me is) $950. That's how much I paid for my CCW.If I would have paid another $4000 for it,I wouldn't feel any safer. I have been outguned in competition by people shooting MilSpec,$500.,weapons. Also by never cleaned Glocks and duct taped Sigs. These weapons shoot and shoot and shoot. Accurately enough for combat also.

    Now don't get me wrong. You have every right in the world to pay whatever you want to pay to feel safe. We all do. I simply feel that by your above post,the Nighthawk/Vickers weapon is overmarketed and overpriced. ---------

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    My $800 S&Ws shoot 1.5 groups all day long with zero problems. Why would I want to spend close to $3k for one? All I care about is that it will go "boom" when I need it to and mine do and will!

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    Gotta agree, my Mil-Spec is just fine by me and with the 'smith's work I've had done I've got maybe $800 in it. Do I feel confident in it? Hell I'd better, it's what I carry daily. If you're looking for "combat effective" in a weapon you can have it for a lot less than $2,800 - and it'll hurt a Hell of a lot less if it ends up sitting in an evidence locker because you actually had to use it as intended.

    My Mil-Spec's got a few dings here and there and it's for sure no beauty queen but I didn't buy it for it's looks, I bought it because I wanted a reliable 5" 1911 that I could trust my life to. I actually bought it on the advice of Stephen Camp and Gary Brommeland, two men who's opinions I respect very much. Is it my "ultimate 1911?" Man, I don't even know what that is but it goes bang every time I pull the trigger, it's in my caliber of choice and I hit what I'm aiming at. That's about all I need in a defensive weapon.

    If you can afford to pay out that kind of scratch for one gun then I'm honestly happy for you and I'm sure it'll be a honey of a weapon. I'd really like to see the detail pics and range report when you get it and I really do hope it serves you well without a single burp.
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