My Ideal Carry Gun

My Ideal Carry Gun

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    My Ideal Carry Gun

    I've posted something similar way back when, but since it's fun to dream, I decided to revisit. No company makes my ideal carry gun, so everything seems to be a compromise. I can accept compromises, but my ideal carry gun would be, well, ideal!

    It looks like this:

    Polymer single stack
    .45 Caliber
    A lower profile grip with 6+1 capacity
    No longer than six inches overall, which probably means a 3-inch barrel
    No wider than one inch, and I mean 1.0, not 1.09"
    Manual thumb safety (there's no "controversy; if you don't like this feature, just don't click it on)
    Night sights

    This would be very concealable, very flat, pretty slim, and have plenty of power in .45 caliber.

    Feel free to contribute.

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    How about weight ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by VBVAGUY View Post
    How about weight ???
    Good thinking. I would want the weight to be no more than about 16 ounces, tops.
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    If Kahr expands its Massachusetts-compliant line to include the PM45, it will be pretty darn close to meeting your specifications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    Don't forget 'ease' of breakdown for cleaning.
    Most modern polymer pistols have no problem in that area. Personally, I prefer the XD "captive takedown lever" idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cf18 View Post
    If Kahr expands its Massachusetts-compliant line to include the PM45, it will be pretty darn close to meeting your specifications.
    One thing.....I've seen the manual thumb safety on their P380 and it's counterintuitive; "Down" is Safe and "Up" is Fire. I want it to be the traditional 1911 config, but with a slim XD-style profile.

    EDIT: I'm already considering a PM45 in the future.
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    Tough fit, I would say lose the polymer and go with a lightweight 1911... seems to have every thing else and you only talking a few ozs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmb View Post
    Tough fit, I would say lose the polymer and go with a lightweight 1911... seems to have every thing else and you only talking a few ozs.
    But the short 1911's can be a bit finicky about ammo and grip. The polymers seem to have less of a problem with those factors.
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    That would be nice with all the features.
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    Except for not having a safety, Kahr's P45 pretty much matches your criteira.

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    For me 6+1 isn't enough.

    But even if it was enough, 6+1 in .45 makes for a grip length that's too long, in the sense that it prints too easily and it's uncomfortable when leaning against a seat back. The overall height of the gun has to be under 4.5".

    A 3" barrel is not very reliable for a 1911 style gun, as others have stated, and it gives up velocity. And a longer barrel (up to 5") is no less comfortable to carry than a 3" barrel.

    A double stack .45 with 10+ rounds is too heavy.

    So that leaves double stack 9mm or .40. with 3.5 - 4.0" barrels. There are several that come to mind. Of those I've only found one that's acceptable. Actually, it's "Perfect"

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheel View Post
    For me 6+1 isn't enough.

    6+1 in .45 makes for a grip length that's too long, in the sense that it prints too easily and it's uncomfortable when leaning against a seat back. The overall height of the gun has to be under 4.5".

    A 3" barrel is not very reliable for a 1911 style gun, as others have stated, and it gives up velocity.

    A double stack .45 with 10+ rounds is too heavy.

    So that leaves double stack 9mm or .40. with 3.5 - 4.0" barrels. There are several that come to mind. Of those I've only found one that's acceptable. Actually, it's "Perfect"

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    The barrel length can be 3.5 inches. That's the minimum recommended by Wilson Combat, in fact. It's usually the grip size and shape that causes printing and not so much the barrel length (within reason).

    But the gun I'm describing isn't a 1911, it's a polymer.

    I don't agree about 10+1 being too heavy, though. That's all subjective. But the gun I'm describing is 6+1.
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    Thumbs up Ideal CCW pistol

    Sounds to me like the Kahr CW45 is pretty close to what you are looking for. Less expensive than the P model and just as good. Doesn't have an external safety but it doesn't need one. The gun is very safe the way they designed it. The trigger pull does take some getting used to but it is good once that is done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpringerXD View Post
    Good thinking. I would want the weight to be no more than about 16 ounces, tops.

    TOTALY outside reality. A magazine of 6 rounds of 230gr .45acp weighs 7 oz. by itself.
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