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Second strike

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    Second strike

    Quick question that popped up while I was looking at a movie:

    How important is second strike capabillity to you? Leo and civilian. Is it a requirement in some departments?
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    I don't think it really matters to me at all. If it doesn't go the first time I think the best response you should train for should be a Tap-Rack-Bang kind of response.

    Can't speak for LEOs but most of the local departments use Glocks. One uses USP .45s that have the capability and one allows just about anything and there are a few guys with S&W 3rd gen pistols there.
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    JMO, but I think it's overrated. If the round doesn't fire on the first strike, like Supperhouse said, TRB and continue is the better answer. I mean what if the round turns out to be a squib and a round becomes stuck in the chamber, (That has happened to me, BTW) then the pistols down for the count. Best to get rid of the round no matter what the problem was and rack a fresh one. YMMV

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    in my experience the second strike seldom fires the round....i have owned second strike guns in the past and the reliability of the ammo is the problem...i would go to trb also regardless...i want it out of there and now...

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    Not important for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gottabkiddin View Post
    JMO, but I think it's overrated. If the round doesn't fire on the first strike, like Supperhouse said, TRB and continue is the better answer. I mean what if the round turns out to be a squib and a round becomes stuck in the chamber, (That has happened to me, BTW) then the pistols down for the count. Best to get rid of the round no matter what the problem was and rack a fresh one. YMMV

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    100% Correct. You risk putting your gun out of action. Just eject the dud and drive on.

    The "second strike" capability is perhaps only useful if the dud just happens to be the very last round of ammo you have.

    In reality, it is more of a marketing gimmick put out there by some gun makers to impress folks who are new to shooting and who don't know better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superhouse 15 View Post
    I don't think it really matters to me at all. If it doesn't go the first time I think the best response you should train for should be a Tap-Rack-Bang kind of response.
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    My favorite gun has it......but that was not a factor in the decision making process. I also agree with TAP, RACK, ASSESS, BANG
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    I prefer to have it as a feature rather than not, especially in small pocket guns. In my experience a second strike usually fires the round. Contrary to popular belief, LE and Govt. agencies do in fact train to pull a second time, then clear if needed, and the feature is a reguirement for some purchases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripley16 View Post
    I prefer to have it as a feature rather than not, especially in small pocket guns. In my experience a second strike usually fires the round. Conrtary to popular belief, LE and Govt. agencies do in fact train to pull a second time, then clear if needed.
    I'm LE, that's the first time I've ever heared about that.
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    The only time I've needed a second strike has been for my handloads. Reason is, I didn't seat the primer all the way (happens sometimes) so the first strike seats it, the second fires it. It doesn't happen all that often, but it does happen from time to time and the second strike has worked every time. I wouldn't expect that from commercial ammo so I would TRB it.

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    The number of misfires I've had in my lifetime are infinitesimal. Maybe two. If a firearm has the capability, that's fine. I certainly wouldn't pay extra for it or make it a qualifying requirement for a purchase.

    Or the same thought pattern of its importance, how many of us carry a spare battery in our car in case the installed one goes bad.
    It's far too simple to eject the misfired round than to spend hours comtemplating the importance if 2nd strikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    ... how many of us carry a spare battery in our car in case the installed one goes bad.
    If you're like me, you probably just carry a set of jumper cables.....and a spare tire..

    Just saying....
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    It's kind of a 50-50 thing. If it works it's faster than a tap-rack; if it doesn't, you just slowed everything down.

    I think the bottom line is, the tap-rack has a much higher probability of fixing the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sigmanluke View Post
    My favorite gun has it......but that was not a factor in the decision making process. I also agree with TAP, RACK, ASSESS, BANG

    True. I understand the change to assess rather than training to just fire the shot. I'm a dinosaur, don't easily adapt to the new terminology.
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