Picked Up a Sig 238 HD. Colt Mustang +II / Sig 238HD Comparison.

Picked Up a Sig 238 HD. Colt Mustang +II / Sig 238HD Comparison.

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    Picked Up a Sig 238 HD. Colt Mustang +II / Sig 238HD Comparison.

    I remember when the 238s first came out, I thought I'd be one of the first to get one, I'm glad I didn't. Between the initial recall and some of the issues, not to mention the newer models that meed my wants I'm glad I waited.

    What I've wanted all along is a steel framed 238 with a longer frame like that of my Colt Mustang +II, but that will have to wait till Sig makes one, if they make one. Until then I'll have to make due with the 238 as is. Having a couple of the Colt .380 pistols to compare the Sig to, my initial take on the 238 is pretty darn good. The materials used to make the gun are far better than that of my +II. I will do a comparison of the 238 and my Mustang and Government .380 at a later date, I will say that my +II is the roughest of the bunch as it is a later model Mustang. Sig had some time (10+ years) since the end of the manufacturing period of the Mustang and the release of the 238 and they made some vast improvements in my opinion.

    The guide rod is steel, not plastic like the Mustang rods (the Government .380 used a plug and guide like a GI 1911, steel Mustang rods are available) and they use a single spring design unlike the dual springs of the Mustang (replacement springs from Wolff are single springs). The factory grip panels on all the Mustangs I've seen were plastic, the 238 comes with wood or G10, the 238 HD currently comes with G10 which is my preferred material these days. Some owners of 238s have experienced quick discoloration of the wood grips, the G10 is going to stay black. The 238 also came with hex head grip screws which seem to be the rage these days. You will note that my Mustang +II also has the hex screws, but I added those as well as the stainless steel guide rod.

    The ejector on the 238 seems to be a little different, a detail strip later on will confirm this, but I can tell that something is different as it springs back to the up position instead of staying recessed in the mag area of the frame, this is a nice touch as it makes it harder to lodge the ejector, note I said harder, it can still be lodged and require that pain in the rear procedure to free the ejector, but it seems that the sear spring is the same and the procedure has not changed.

    The sights, which are probably overkill on poodle shooter are MUCH better than the Mustang, if you shoot BUG matches @ your local IDPA league, you may like the 238. The magazine of the 238 seems to be well made, but then again so were the Colt mags. They are slightly different in the follower design and are stainless steel, I plan on trying out my blued and nickel mustang mags in the 238 and see how they perform.

    I was a little skeptical of the redesign of the back strap of the 238 as the Mustang had a gentle slope to it while the 238 looks a little chunky as a result of the removable main spring housing that Sig threw in the mix. The front strap of the 238 has some vertical serrations that are cut a little deeper and wider than most serrations of that style, they should be adequate, but then again I've never had issues with a Mustang getting to slippery with a smooth front strap, there's just not that much oomph.

    The 238 is a little more pricey than it's .380 competitors, but trust me if you shoot a P3AT/LCP and compare it to a Mustang, there's no competition. Out of the box the trigger on the 238 is heavier than those on my Colts, I may have to find some Mustang springs and re-spring the 238, or it may just might get better with age. I just picked up the 238 today and I haven't even done the initial cleaning or fired it yet, there's BUG match this weekend at one of the neighboring clubs that I might take the 238 to, but we'll see. One big difference between the 238 and the Mustang is that the Sig profiled slide makes it a tighter fit in my Mustang holster. Right now I'm "blocking" my HBE Com III with wax paper to see if it will loosen up enough to accommodate the 238, it not I may have to wait for a holster or two before really running the 238. I need to dig out my other Mustang holsters and see how they fit.

    In the mean time, here's some pics. Excuse the dirty Mustang, it's summer and I've been carrying the Mustang on some really hot days.




    Here you can see a casting mark in the frame


    No casting marks here.


    Left: Colt Mustang, Right: Sig 238 *Note removable mainspring housing (MSH)


    Sig 238 Front strap serrations


    Left: Colt barrel Right: 238 Barrel, the Sig barrel has a more even feed ramp.


    Another barrel shot, note the absence of the lug surface on the Sig barrel


    Colt front sight


    Sig front sight


    Colt rear sight


    Sig rear sight.


    All I can say is that this is a very well built pistol, I'll take a better look at the small parts later on and post some pics, it's exactly what I expected from Sig in the build quality, now I just gotta see how she shoots.
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    Nice comparison JD, thanks. I picked up a p238 SAS a couple weeks ago. It has performed flawlessly. Great shooting gun and I sometimes forget it's in my pocket. I am very happy with the purchase. Look forward to your next report.
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    and are the mags compatable with each gun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MedicMan218 View Post
    and are the mags compatable with each gun?
    They are rumored to be, the follower of the 238 mags is shaped a little differently, but other than that they are almost 100% identical. In theory they should work flawlessly, but some have had issues.

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    Mustang mag is on the left....mine work perfectly in the 238.
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    I am very interested in 238, Since migrating to the 1911 for EDC the Sig would be a natural companion; it is a pretty good cunck of change for a 380... maybe I'll hold out and do some saving... I look forward to range reports and more details!

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    JD, very nice comparison - with the details I've been waiting to see. Colt had a winner with the Mustang concept, but it came at a time when Colt quality was not at its peak (being charitable, here). I was lusting after one with the intention of letting Scott, MacDougall & Associates (SMA) work it over, but the funds were never quite there. Then both the Mustang and SMA went -poof- the former for questionable business decisions, the latter due to serious illness of one of the principals.

    I handled a 238 at the NRA show in Phoenix last year and was unimpressed with the trigger and the stiffness of the thumb safety detent. It struck me as a nice sized piece but not up to the standard I expect of Sig. Your post indicates that maybe my reservations can be put to rest. I look forward to your additional impressions after you give it a workout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    JD, very nice comparison - with the details I've been waiting to see. Colt had a winner with the Mustang concept, but it came at a time when Colt quality was not at its peak (being charitable, here). I was lusting after one with the intention of letting Scott, MacDougall & Associates (SMA) work it over, but the funds were never quite there. Then both the Mustang and SMA went -poof- the former for questionable business decisions, the latter due to serious illness of one of the principals.

    I handled a 238 at the NRA show in Phoenix last year and was unimpressed with the trigger and the stiffness of the thumb safety detent. It struck me as a nice sized piece but not up to the standard I expect of Sig. Your post indicates that maybe my reservations can be put to rest. I look forward to your additional impressions after you give it a workout.
    The thumb safety should loosed up, my 220SAO was the same way. As for the trigger, we'll see what a couple hours of dry fire will do for it.

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    J.D. By any chance would you know if the grip panels interchange?

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    Good read JD. Thanks. Two fine little handguns well worth owning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21bubba View Post
    J.D. By any chance would you know if the grip panels interchange?
    It looks like the Mustang panels would be OK on a 238, but the 238 panels will hang of to the rear of a Mustang as the back strap is more round, The 238 panels won't match the profile. I'll take some pics later.

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    Nice job. Another Mustang owner on the SIG forum conducted a comparison review awhile back that you may want to check out. I use OE SIG, OE Mustang and OE Government mags in mine. To date, (about 9 months) I haven't experienced any issues.


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    Great post. The 238 seems to be a clone, or perhaps the next generation, of the Mustang.

    Disregarding the casting issues, I think my preference would be for the Mustang based on the slightly longer grip. Both are nice looking. I wonder if Colt is asking, "Does anyone know where we stored all that Mustang tooling?"
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    Great review and comparison! Congrats on the new Sig, and I agree the difference between the Sig and the LCP is incredible. I'd even say my 238 shoots better than my PPK and the build quality is impressive to say the least, I'd say diffidently on par with my IA PPK and Seacamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Great post. The 238 seems to be a clone, or perhaps the next generation, of the Mustang.

    Disregarding the casting issues, I think my preference would be for the Mustang based on the slightly longer grip. Both are nice looking. I wonder if Colt is asking, "Does anyone know where we stored all that Mustang tooling?"
    It is almost a direct clone. Regarding the grip length, the Mustang and 238 are the same size, the Mustang +II has the longer grip as did the Government.380.

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