This is a discussion on Why I am considering a 45acp! within the Defensive Carry Guns forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Tangle But, having said all that, I find myself drifting from 9mm to .45ACP. It's not because of inconclusive evidence that it's ...
I'll agree with the others that if large animals are an issue, I'd go 10mm for an auto. Load it with the most powerful loads you can find, designed to penetrate deeply - NOT to expand. You want hunting rounds - a heavy flat-point.
Better would be a revolver in .44 or .50 mag.
Even better would be a shotgun loaded with slugs!
The number of people killed because they didn't have "enough gun" is dwarfed by those who had none at all. Get a gun you will always carry, and add more capability as you grow.
I have been forced to carry a 45 in Bear Country because I needed one gun to double as my defensive gun. My Load of Choice was Hornady 230 +P XTP.
Now I was in BLACK Bear country where the size rarely exceeds 400 lbs. I wouldn't have dreamt of this combo in Grizzly/Brown Bear territory!
I agree with the many here who set the 44 Magnum as a minimum for defense against Bear (and that's light!) I would prefer a 12 Ga. with Brenekke Slugs or 375 H&H and a buddy carrying the same.
As for the far more dangerous and common threat of Bipedal Felon. I would argue that the 45 ACP, 357 Magnum, 357 Sig and 10mm are the tops depending upon load of course.
At least a 500 S&W in bear country, distant second choice 460 S&W, more distant third 454 Casull. For me, I'd have a 308 AR10. A 45 isn't a viable option.
For SD, there's nothing conclusive regarding the 9/45 debate. If you're looking for more damage, the previous posts about a Glock 20 in 10mm offer a viable option. Some will say a 10mm can be bear medicine too, for me...not so much.
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I'm a real big fan of the 45acp for personal self-defense against two legged deadly threats but, not for Black Bear.
I you do want to carry .45acp for Blackies then best get the hottest and heaviest offering by BuffaloBore & go for multiple hits.
10mm sound like the best gun for you. FMJ for bears and JHP for the two legged critters.
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Glock 20 with a .45 ACP conversion barrel would give you the best of both the 10mm & th .45 ACP.
Just my 2 cents...
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I will stick to my 10mm, the .45 can stay in the safe.
Searcher 45..."In bear country with a 45acp what would be the best choice for defense against large bears, FMJ or HP?"
Wear track shoes and hike with a friend you can outrun...
In Alaska, it was a Ruger .44mag (for a hiking pistola) for bears and moose...moose were much more dangerous than bears.
Proverbs 27:12 says: “The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.”
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Since I carry every day from out of shower until lay me down to sleep, my SD weapon takes priority. I would hate to carry something that hurt to do so. So you may seriously consider 2 guns for the 2 very different purposes (picture shooting game birds with a pistol). So, I got a Kahr 9mm because I could carry it in my pocket. Although possible and I have a pocket holster, I carry it in a IWB because it's more comfortable. Had I known I would carry IWB, I would have bought a .45 ACP instead of the 9mm.
I, personally, would not want to go up against a black bear with a .45. They are a wild animal, not a human. They have animal instincts and dna built in that drive them on and on even when the chips are down.
.44mag or bigger for a mad mama bear with kids.
As far as more people dying because of a .22cal, naturally. That's not because it's such a great killer, but because of the HUGE number of .22's out there and hunting and home accidents. People thinking it has no power, so they leave 'em lying around and kids pick them up and kill themselves or their friends. just my thoughts.